About DC license (Psyguy please help me)

[intotheblue]

Hi,

I have just completed my Teach-Now program and I have all my documents ready including the Praxis test results.
On the DC OSSE form that I got from Teach-Now, it states Elementary Education (1-6) under Program Area of Preparation.

However, I also took and passed Praxis ESOL (p-12) which I would like to add as a second teachable subject.

In such case, can I initially apply to both subject areas even if my OSSE form only includes "Elementary Education (1-6)" ?
Or, do I have to first only apply to Elementary Education (1-6) and then add ESOL (p-12) after I receive a teaching certificate?

Thank you

[PsyGuy]

Youre maybe going to have to submit two applications. Back when it was a paper application, you could complete separate applications but send them together in an envelope and a credentialing specialist would figure out what your trying to do. Now with an electronic application you dont have a credential to add an endorsement too and while its supposed to work (your supposed to just be able to click the subject areas you want to add, and then upload everything, but its been buggy for a rather long time). If you already had a credential it works a lot more reliably adding multiple credentials, but for the initial credential, it has problems. However, it doesnt hurt to try if you can get it to work, than you can do it. Just complete the application add primary 1-6 and ESOL P-12 and upload all the documents for both credentials.

[intotheblue]

PsyGuy wrote:
> Youre maybe going to have to submit two applications. Back when it was a
> paper application, you could complete separate applications but send them
> together in an envelope and a credentialing specialist would figure out
> what your trying to do. Now with an electronic application you dont have a
> credential to add an endorsement too and while its supposed to work (your
> supposed to just be able to click the subject areas you want to add, and
> then upload everything, but its been buggy for a rather long time). If you
> already had a credential it works a lot more reliably adding multiple
> credentials, but for the initial credential, it has problems. However, it
> doesnt hurt to try if you can get it to work, than you can do it. Just
> complete the application add primary 1-6 and ESOL P-12 and upload all the
> documents for both credentials.

Thank you very much for the reply. I started working on the electronic application, and I would like to ask you a question for clarification.

If I choose Elementary Education as my first teaching subject, then do I select English as a second language "endorsement" or "All Grades Education"? Do second subjects usually get added as "endorsement" if I didn't do additional practicum in that field but just passed the relevant Praxis test?
It's bit ambiguous, because although I did my practicum in an elementary classroom, all the students were Asians whose first language was not English.

Moreover, I plan to get QTS after I get my DC license. Should I get QTS only after I get a certificate in both elementary education and ESOL?

Thank you

[PsyGuy]

@intotheblue

All the rational means nothing. Your EPP/ITT program recommended you for Elementary so your initial credential is elementary.

Select all grades education, but technically endorsements are added to an initial credential and the all grades education is the only available age/grade range for ESOL for an initial credential in ESOL. The ESOL wont make any difference to the TCL, its English Language subject and its all grade levels thats easy. The primary credential is the more tricky one. In England years 1-6 are KS1 and KS2 its very neat except for EC/EY (Nursery and Reception), which your credential doesnt include, because DC has a separate EC credential. The TCL can pretty much put whatever they want in those fields, they are free text entry. They could give you ages 3-5 they may not. None of this is important if you dont care, and an IS may care or may not, but its yet another test to have to consider taking. Regardless whichever one you choose (Endorsement or All Grades Education), OSSE will just correct the data fields in the application to what they think it should be. Its not going to effect the DC credential.
So getting really deep into it you were prepared/trained as an elementary/primary DT, you added ESOL by examination, there are regulating authorities that will only recognize the EPP/ITT subject program credential (meaning elementary), but you cant do anything about it.

You can apply for QTS as soon as you get the primary credential, and then request the ESOL be added to your QTS fields (there is room for 2), but doing them together with the initial application will likely take less time than requesting a manual update and review to add the ESOL field in the future. The TCLs focus is getting you reviewed and getting QTS issued, the teaching fields a much lower priority. The teaching fields only show up on your profile, they arent printed on your QTS certificate. They play a role when assigning faculty to teaching roles in maintained DSs, but technically QTS is all grades and all subjects, its recognition you have the professional training in education meds/peds/asst.

[intotheblue]

PsyGuy wrote:
> @intotheblue
>
> All the rational means nothing. Your EPP/ITT program recommended you for
> Elementary so your initial credential is elementary.
>
> Select all grades education, but technically endorsements are added to an
> initial credential and the all grades education is the only available
> age/grade range for ESOL for an initial credential in ESOL. The ESOL wont
> make any difference to the TCL, its English Language subject and its all
> grade levels thats easy. The primary credential is the more tricky one. In
> England years 1-6 are KS1 and KS2 its very neat except for EC/EY (Nursery
> and Reception), which your credential doesnt include, because DC has a
> separate EC credential. The TCL can pretty much put whatever they want in
> those fields, they are free text entry. They could give you ages 3-5 they
> may not. None of this is important if you dont care, and an IS may care or
> may not, but its yet another test to have to consider taking. Regardless
> whichever one you choose (Endorsement or All Grades Education), OSSE will
> just correct the data fields in the application to what they think it
> should be. Its not going to effect the DC credential.
> So getting really deep into it you were prepared/trained as an
> elementary/primary DT, you added ESOL by examination, there are regulating
> authorities that will only recognize the EPP/ITT subject program
> credential (meaning elementary), but you cant do anything about it.
>
> You can apply for QTS as soon as you get the primary credential, and then
> request the ESOL be added to your QTS fields (there is room for 2), but
> doing them together with the initial application will likely take less time
> than requesting a manual update and review to add the ESOL field in the
> future. The TCLs focus is getting you reviewed and getting QTS issued, the
> teaching fields a much lower priority. The teaching fields only show up on
> your profile, they arent printed on your QTS certificate. They play a role
> when assigning faculty to teaching roles in maintained DSs, but technically
> QTS is all grades and all subjects, its recognition you have the
> professional training in education meds/peds/asst.


@PsyGuy

Thank you very much for your help