PsyGuy wrote:
> @Heliotrope
>
> So this is how rank ordering works. If I have 10 students and their scores
> on an assessment range from the 90th percentile to the 100th percentile,
> one of them or some group of them performed worst (the bottom) compared to
> the others, but the 90th percentile is a pretty high score even if its the
> bottom of the range.
> Out of 142 (or some other X of y) countries someone has to rank at the
> bottom.
>
> The "World Justice Project" and its reports are just the
> publications of some organizations opinion, its no different and no more
> authoritative than anyone elses opinion. Türkiye is still Europe, its not
> Russia or N.Korea.
>
> Political scientists and democracy indexes are likewise just opinions of
> people. America is an authoritarian regime. In England individuals were
> arrested for speech they on social media. Not hallmarks of liberal
> democracy.
>
> Freedom House is just more organizational opinions.
>
> None of these data points were kept from Miss Pedo, she wasnt held at gun
> point and forced to enter or work in Türkiye. She voluntarily and willingly
> put herself in that situation. Its kind of like going to Russia with
> illegal drugs and when bad things happen being surprised. If Türkiye is
> such a bad region, why would Miss Pedo get on the plane.
>
> Miss Pedo doesnt know if the trial would be fair because shes chosen to be
> a fugitive from a European country that issued a lawful warrant and which
> Interpol subsequently issued a red notice for her arrest and detention.
> Shes beaten extradition from England but that doesnt apply to anywhere
> else, or any other EU country.
>
> I wouldnt go to Türkiye in the first place.
> Im highly doubtful you would return to Türkiye willingly if you were
> rightfully and justifiably accused of the same (nor Denmark for that
> matter).
So there are world rankings and then there is actual real time events happening that can also give us insight into a country. I am judging some of my opinion on what I can see happening at the moment.
Your comment about freedom (or hate) of speech in the UK is valid but it is based on a couple of high profile cases and Trumpian spiel, compared to the thousands of forgotten cases being perused in other authoritarian countries.
You are correct that Türkiye is part of Europe and therefore her case can be taken to the European courts. The extradition case then becomes important as I believe that not being able to try a case because of mental health issues and not offering an alternative method of collecting her statement, could be seen as an issue in human rights law. You are being blamed for a trial not being able to continue because you are too sick, so it goes on and on probably making you even sicker. God knows how the child claimant has coped?
Finally, Türkiye has ignored many judgements handed down from Europe over the years.
UK Teacher Discharged from Turkish Extradition
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@Heliotrope
Youre trying to accredit third part indices on the basis of no other premise than that you deem them reputable, manufactured by self-proclaimed experts, on the basis of their arbitrarily constructed metrics and subject to data collection of bias prone observations. You further offer no counter offer that the lowest ranked member of these rankings are objectively poor, rather than just the lowest ranked amongst those provided.
I dont think, I know that Türkiye is a European country. This is referred to as a fact rather than your mounting collection of opinions.
Maybe Miss Pedo should have considered being falsely accused given the preponderance of sources available.
Is your claim of more than 50% of IT in IE employed and resident in regions where the judicial system is lacking to some degree based on anything more than the musings and conjecture of @Heliotrope, because if it isnt than my retort is a hand waving and dismissive ~meh~.
I have a Magic 8 Ball I can shake to, but no one "knows" if a judicial process like a trial is going to be fair. Numerous sus. perps. believe the systems is unfair. Im sure Miss Pedo believes if she were exonerated the system is fair and if convicted the system must be unfair, and the inverse is likely the position the victim(s) would claim.
Self proclaimed experts whose opinion is no more of value than any other. By your own admission youd prefer the title of wanted fugitive to that of exonerated educator.
@Intl.Teach
World rankings are subjective opinions and your real world events are subject to bias observations, that yield at best supposition.
Those are interpretations on what you observe, they are subject to cognitive filtering by your schema and paradigm.
That doesnt make it less valid. Low rates of occurrence do not dissolve the events from existence no more than a high level of correlation equates to causation. That your conclusion favors the quantity of events over the quality of events is not authoritative beside yourself.
Yes, I know Türkiye is part of Europe this is called a fact.
Youre belief the findings and determination in the extradition case are of value to the EU courts is nothing but your internalization of folly and whimsy. You have no basis for your claim that they would be of value outside of England.
Your belief that these actions constitute a human rights violation(s) and would invalidate the findings and conclusions of the Turkish Court are equally fanciful. Theres no offer of support to your claim and they are neither self evident or self authenticating.
Your claim of illness is not debilitating injury but depression, which to the degree presented does not equate to mental incompetence. Miss Pedos sadness does not preclude her from contributing to her defense.
Miss Pedo is being accused of a horrible crime against a child/children which she may well have committed, that this behavior if successfully prosecuted to conviction would result in punishment she finds depressing (as most individuals) would does not absolve her of responsibility, accountability, and liability for the behavior, nor does it absolve her of what would likely be brutal punishment for the offense.
Im sure the child victims suffering would be at least in part, relieved by seeing justice for their assailant.
Other European regions, besides Türkiye have ignored EU courts as well.
Youre trying to accredit third part indices on the basis of no other premise than that you deem them reputable, manufactured by self-proclaimed experts, on the basis of their arbitrarily constructed metrics and subject to data collection of bias prone observations. You further offer no counter offer that the lowest ranked member of these rankings are objectively poor, rather than just the lowest ranked amongst those provided.
I dont think, I know that Türkiye is a European country. This is referred to as a fact rather than your mounting collection of opinions.
Maybe Miss Pedo should have considered being falsely accused given the preponderance of sources available.
Is your claim of more than 50% of IT in IE employed and resident in regions where the judicial system is lacking to some degree based on anything more than the musings and conjecture of @Heliotrope, because if it isnt than my retort is a hand waving and dismissive ~meh~.
I have a Magic 8 Ball I can shake to, but no one "knows" if a judicial process like a trial is going to be fair. Numerous sus. perps. believe the systems is unfair. Im sure Miss Pedo believes if she were exonerated the system is fair and if convicted the system must be unfair, and the inverse is likely the position the victim(s) would claim.
Self proclaimed experts whose opinion is no more of value than any other. By your own admission youd prefer the title of wanted fugitive to that of exonerated educator.
@Intl.Teach
World rankings are subjective opinions and your real world events are subject to bias observations, that yield at best supposition.
Those are interpretations on what you observe, they are subject to cognitive filtering by your schema and paradigm.
That doesnt make it less valid. Low rates of occurrence do not dissolve the events from existence no more than a high level of correlation equates to causation. That your conclusion favors the quantity of events over the quality of events is not authoritative beside yourself.
Yes, I know Türkiye is part of Europe this is called a fact.
Youre belief the findings and determination in the extradition case are of value to the EU courts is nothing but your internalization of folly and whimsy. You have no basis for your claim that they would be of value outside of England.
Your belief that these actions constitute a human rights violation(s) and would invalidate the findings and conclusions of the Turkish Court are equally fanciful. Theres no offer of support to your claim and they are neither self evident or self authenticating.
Your claim of illness is not debilitating injury but depression, which to the degree presented does not equate to mental incompetence. Miss Pedos sadness does not preclude her from contributing to her defense.
Miss Pedo is being accused of a horrible crime against a child/children which she may well have committed, that this behavior if successfully prosecuted to conviction would result in punishment she finds depressing (as most individuals) would does not absolve her of responsibility, accountability, and liability for the behavior, nor does it absolve her of what would likely be brutal punishment for the offense.
Im sure the child victims suffering would be at least in part, relieved by seeing justice for their assailant.
Other European regions, besides Türkiye have ignored EU courts as well.
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Re: UK Teacher Discharged from Turkish Extradition
@PsyGuy
“Yes, I know Türkiye is part of Europe this is called a fact.
Youre belief the findings and determination in the extradition case are of value to the EU courts is nothing but your internalization of folly and whimsy. You have no basis for your claim that they would be of value outside of England.
Your belief that these actions constitute a human rights violation(s) and would invalidate the findings and conclusions of the Turkish Court are equally fanciful. Theres no offer of support to your claim and they are neither self evident or self authenticating.
Your claim of illness is not debilitating injury but depression, which to the degree presented does not equate to mental incompetence. Miss Pedos sadness does not preclude her from contributing to her defense.
Miss Pedo is being accused of a horrible crime against a child/children which she may well have committed, that this behavior if successfully prosecuted to conviction would result in punishment she finds depressing (as most individuals) would does not absolve her of responsibility, accountability, and liability for the behavior, nor does it absolve her of what would likely be brutal punishment for the offense.
Im sure the child victims suffering would be at least in part, relieved by seeing justice for their assailant.
Other European regions, besides Türkiye have ignored EU courts as well.”
Jailing opposition leaders. Jailing lawyers. Jailing journos or deporting journos… The list goes on. Yes, it’s common pretty much everywhere at the moment but the length of time and and amount differs. Purging…
Aha, you are one of those folk who do not believe depression is an illness. The UK courts did not accept that Assange’s mental health was too fragile to be detained in the US, but they did think the Requested Person in this case was? I cannot really continue an argument if you think depression is sadness. Careful with the Tylenol, now.
Yes, a European court would look carefully at all evidence and a UK ruling. That’s their role. Just like parents, police, child services etc should have an alleged child victim at the centre of an unbiased investigation and truly find out what was going down.
I also think many other posters have tried to tell you that there are no other alleged victims. The claimant parent named a member of staff all the other students in the class and one outside of the class. Class parents, member of staff and the other child all became defence witnesses, not prosecution witnesses. Wait for it… they have all been coerced into lying, or their trauma has prevented them from recalling or relaying events. The RP taught in the UK and I believe HK and Mexican media covered her story. No reports have emerged. This is not Epstein. If it happened it appears to be a complete one off.
“Yes, I know Türkiye is part of Europe this is called a fact.
Youre belief the findings and determination in the extradition case are of value to the EU courts is nothing but your internalization of folly and whimsy. You have no basis for your claim that they would be of value outside of England.
Your belief that these actions constitute a human rights violation(s) and would invalidate the findings and conclusions of the Turkish Court are equally fanciful. Theres no offer of support to your claim and they are neither self evident or self authenticating.
Your claim of illness is not debilitating injury but depression, which to the degree presented does not equate to mental incompetence. Miss Pedos sadness does not preclude her from contributing to her defense.
Miss Pedo is being accused of a horrible crime against a child/children which she may well have committed, that this behavior if successfully prosecuted to conviction would result in punishment she finds depressing (as most individuals) would does not absolve her of responsibility, accountability, and liability for the behavior, nor does it absolve her of what would likely be brutal punishment for the offense.
Im sure the child victims suffering would be at least in part, relieved by seeing justice for their assailant.
Other European regions, besides Türkiye have ignored EU courts as well.”
Jailing opposition leaders. Jailing lawyers. Jailing journos or deporting journos… The list goes on. Yes, it’s common pretty much everywhere at the moment but the length of time and and amount differs. Purging…
Aha, you are one of those folk who do not believe depression is an illness. The UK courts did not accept that Assange’s mental health was too fragile to be detained in the US, but they did think the Requested Person in this case was? I cannot really continue an argument if you think depression is sadness. Careful with the Tylenol, now.
Yes, a European court would look carefully at all evidence and a UK ruling. That’s their role. Just like parents, police, child services etc should have an alleged child victim at the centre of an unbiased investigation and truly find out what was going down.
I also think many other posters have tried to tell you that there are no other alleged victims. The claimant parent named a member of staff all the other students in the class and one outside of the class. Class parents, member of staff and the other child all became defence witnesses, not prosecution witnesses. Wait for it… they have all been coerced into lying, or their trauma has prevented them from recalling or relaying events. The RP taught in the UK and I believe HK and Mexican media covered her story. No reports have emerged. This is not Epstein. If it happened it appears to be a complete one off.
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Heliotrope
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PsyGuy wrote:
> Youre trying to accredit third part indices on the basis of no other
> premise than that you deem them reputable, manufactured by self-proclaimed
> experts, on the basis of their arbitrarily constructed metrics and subject
> to data collection of bias prone observations.
World Justice Project uses experts - usually practicing lawyers, judges, academics, and NGO professionals - chosen for expertise in law, civil society, and governance. The methodology is reviewed by an independent international expert committee of legal scholars and statisticians.
Contributors typically hold law degrees, PhDs, or senior NGO/government posts.
Freedom House has their country reports drafted by a regional expert or scholar, often academics, journalists, or policy - with long experience on that country, using many national and international area experts. Drafts are then reviewed by regional advisors and by in-house staff before final scoring. Many authors are specialists with PhDs and/or extensive field experience.
Economist Intelligence Unit's Democracy Index is produced by the research and - division of The Economist Group (UK), using both quantitative data and expert assessments by - who are experts in their field and external regional specialists, economists and political scientists with strong regional specialization with advanced degrees.
In short: not 'self-proclaimed', but actual experts who do thorough and checkable research. But you're welcome to go with your gut rather than these experts.
> I dont think, I know that Türkiye is a European country. This is referred
> to as a fact rather than your mounting collection of opinions.
Of course Türkiye is (partly) European. I'm just saying that you saying it's European is not a very strong argument.
> Maybe Miss Pedo should have considered being falsely accused given the
> preponderance of sources available.
I agree: there are many sources available that show Turkey’s judiciary has become significantly less independent and less reliable since 2013.
You're making my point for me.
> Is your claim of more than 50% of IT in IE employed and resident in regions
> where the judicial system is lacking to some degree based on anything more
> than the musings and conjecture of @Heliotrope, because if it isnt than my
> retort is a hand waving and dismissive ~meh~.
I'd say all countries have a judicial system is lacking to some degree, no country has a perfect judicial system. Lots of them are lacking severely though, and I don't think teachers always consider how much it is in their host country, although the overwhelming majority of teachers will not experience the consequences this can have. Sadly, it seems like Rebecca highlights that these risks are very real.
> I have a Magic 8 Ball I can shake to, but no one "knows" if a
> judicial process like a trial is going to be fair.
Nope, but by doing research you can get a sense of the likelihood that the trial is going to be fair. I think most people would agree the chances of getting a fair trial will be much better in Denmark than in Türkiye.
But I'm quite confident you realize full well that this case is build on quicksand, and that the Turkish judicial system is severely lacking. I'm also quite sure that if you were falsely accused of the same, you would not return to Türkiye either. But hey, trollers are gonna troll.
> Youre trying to accredit third part indices on the basis of no other
> premise than that you deem them reputable, manufactured by self-proclaimed
> experts, on the basis of their arbitrarily constructed metrics and subject
> to data collection of bias prone observations.
World Justice Project uses experts - usually practicing lawyers, judges, academics, and NGO professionals - chosen for expertise in law, civil society, and governance. The methodology is reviewed by an independent international expert committee of legal scholars and statisticians.
Contributors typically hold law degrees, PhDs, or senior NGO/government posts.
Freedom House has their country reports drafted by a regional expert or scholar, often academics, journalists, or policy - with long experience on that country, using many national and international area experts. Drafts are then reviewed by regional advisors and by in-house staff before final scoring. Many authors are specialists with PhDs and/or extensive field experience.
Economist Intelligence Unit's Democracy Index is produced by the research and - division of The Economist Group (UK), using both quantitative data and expert assessments by - who are experts in their field and external regional specialists, economists and political scientists with strong regional specialization with advanced degrees.
In short: not 'self-proclaimed', but actual experts who do thorough and checkable research. But you're welcome to go with your gut rather than these experts.
> I dont think, I know that Türkiye is a European country. This is referred
> to as a fact rather than your mounting collection of opinions.
Of course Türkiye is (partly) European. I'm just saying that you saying it's European is not a very strong argument.
> Maybe Miss Pedo should have considered being falsely accused given the
> preponderance of sources available.
I agree: there are many sources available that show Turkey’s judiciary has become significantly less independent and less reliable since 2013.
You're making my point for me.
> Is your claim of more than 50% of IT in IE employed and resident in regions
> where the judicial system is lacking to some degree based on anything more
> than the musings and conjecture of @Heliotrope, because if it isnt than my
> retort is a hand waving and dismissive ~meh~.
I'd say all countries have a judicial system is lacking to some degree, no country has a perfect judicial system. Lots of them are lacking severely though, and I don't think teachers always consider how much it is in their host country, although the overwhelming majority of teachers will not experience the consequences this can have. Sadly, it seems like Rebecca highlights that these risks are very real.
> I have a Magic 8 Ball I can shake to, but no one "knows" if a
> judicial process like a trial is going to be fair.
Nope, but by doing research you can get a sense of the likelihood that the trial is going to be fair. I think most people would agree the chances of getting a fair trial will be much better in Denmark than in Türkiye.
But I'm quite confident you realize full well that this case is build on quicksand, and that the Turkish judicial system is severely lacking. I'm also quite sure that if you were falsely accused of the same, you would not return to Türkiye either. But hey, trollers are gonna troll.
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@Intl.Teach
If opposition leaders dont want to be jailed than they shouldnt be in opposition. If Journalists dont want to be arrested and disappeared either than they shouldnt write stories in opposition to the ones in power.
Otherwise it sounds like we agree.
No, depression is an illness. Im not on of those people who believes that all depression is equal. Depression (clinical depression) like many mental and pseudo-physical conditions has degrees of severity that can be tracked along a continuum. Miss Pedos depression one, does not rise to the level of severity that makes her unable to contribute to her defense, nor does it make her incompetent to stand trial; and two if she has done all the things shes being accused of then its depression as a result of her own actions.
I use paracetamol regularly.
You dont know that youre just guessing. While I believe they would reasonably look at it the degree of weight an EU Court would give to it is widely speculative. You dont even have a magistrate/judge that you can characterize. You have a position and are making statements in support of your position, thats called bias.
So what. The opinions of other contributors are just that. I dont need their permission to examine other sources and make my own conclusions. I can attach a far greater degree of credibility to the victims parent than I can posters on an internet forum.
Yes, it could, thats called a conspiracy. This could be another Epstein, its entirely possible the "wolf in sheeps clothing".
Yes, This could be a unique event.
@Heliotrope
Those practicing lawyers, judges, academics, and NGO professionals are not experts because they have a job. There are incompetent and uninformed members of all those professions, and having a law degree or Ph.D doesnt give you a defacto 'experts' card.
Self proclaimed experts, selecting and screening other self proclaimed experts is nothing more than opinion on top of opinion, a "hat on a hat".
The Economist Group is just a media rag. They publish "The Economist" newspaper and magazine. It doesnt make them an authority on anything.
No Türkiye being a European country is a strong argument, your your claim that its a weak argument is a poor retort.
No Im not making your point for you. There are many sources available with various degrees of subjective credibility, most of them anecdotal, but those arent without value if the reader chooses to give them value. That doesnt make them authoritative.
~Meh~, another thought that @Heliotrope thinks.
Predictive research, which is what you describe, is not causal no matter how strong it is. My research indicates that the trial would be very fair, more so than most. Its likely level of increased scrutiny would increase the probability of a fairer than usual trial.
You can think Denmark would have a better likelihood of a fairer trial, but thats just an unsubstantiated guess of @Heliotrope.
The case is to strange to be nothing but fiction. I cant get past the motivation for a ruse involving so many distinct parties. Theres malfeasance there, to what particulars and degrees are details.
Of course Id return, Id rather be wrongfully convicted and imprisoned than a lifetime of being a wanted fugitive confined to one region and perpetually unemployed.
We disagree, keep trolling.
If opposition leaders dont want to be jailed than they shouldnt be in opposition. If Journalists dont want to be arrested and disappeared either than they shouldnt write stories in opposition to the ones in power.
Otherwise it sounds like we agree.
No, depression is an illness. Im not on of those people who believes that all depression is equal. Depression (clinical depression) like many mental and pseudo-physical conditions has degrees of severity that can be tracked along a continuum. Miss Pedos depression one, does not rise to the level of severity that makes her unable to contribute to her defense, nor does it make her incompetent to stand trial; and two if she has done all the things shes being accused of then its depression as a result of her own actions.
I use paracetamol regularly.
You dont know that youre just guessing. While I believe they would reasonably look at it the degree of weight an EU Court would give to it is widely speculative. You dont even have a magistrate/judge that you can characterize. You have a position and are making statements in support of your position, thats called bias.
So what. The opinions of other contributors are just that. I dont need their permission to examine other sources and make my own conclusions. I can attach a far greater degree of credibility to the victims parent than I can posters on an internet forum.
Yes, it could, thats called a conspiracy. This could be another Epstein, its entirely possible the "wolf in sheeps clothing".
Yes, This could be a unique event.
@Heliotrope
Those practicing lawyers, judges, academics, and NGO professionals are not experts because they have a job. There are incompetent and uninformed members of all those professions, and having a law degree or Ph.D doesnt give you a defacto 'experts' card.
Self proclaimed experts, selecting and screening other self proclaimed experts is nothing more than opinion on top of opinion, a "hat on a hat".
The Economist Group is just a media rag. They publish "The Economist" newspaper and magazine. It doesnt make them an authority on anything.
No Türkiye being a European country is a strong argument, your your claim that its a weak argument is a poor retort.
No Im not making your point for you. There are many sources available with various degrees of subjective credibility, most of them anecdotal, but those arent without value if the reader chooses to give them value. That doesnt make them authoritative.
~Meh~, another thought that @Heliotrope thinks.
Predictive research, which is what you describe, is not causal no matter how strong it is. My research indicates that the trial would be very fair, more so than most. Its likely level of increased scrutiny would increase the probability of a fairer than usual trial.
You can think Denmark would have a better likelihood of a fairer trial, but thats just an unsubstantiated guess of @Heliotrope.
The case is to strange to be nothing but fiction. I cant get past the motivation for a ruse involving so many distinct parties. Theres malfeasance there, to what particulars and degrees are details.
Of course Id return, Id rather be wrongfully convicted and imprisoned than a lifetime of being a wanted fugitive confined to one region and perpetually unemployed.
We disagree, keep trolling.
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Re: Reply
Sometimes I reply because I think some people reading your reply might see the many holes in your many arguments (I know, I'm very likely underestimating the readership of this forum), but in this case I'm pretty sure everyone will. Saves me the trouble of replying in length.
So I'll keep it short:
Yes, we disagree.
So I'll keep it short:
Yes, we disagree.
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Re: UK Teacher Discharged from Turkish Extradition
@PsyGuy
“Of course Id return, Id rather be wrongfully convicted and imprisoned than a lifetime of being a wanted fugitive confined to one region and perpetually unemployed.”
Umm, I think the prison sentence would be 10 years and an automatic ban from teaching and pretty much any profession so it makes no difference. Yes, being a fugitive out of the UK stinks and being an ‘accused’ person is horrific but there are legal remedies that could solve this.
Also, I was not referring to “EU Courts” but the European court in Strasbourg where they will examine court details.
Oh great! You do understand depression exists so how’s this. I believe Dr. Richard Latham and other health professionals assessing the RP DID diagnose her with severe depression at the beginning of her ordeal in 2019. I believe she has sought help and care over the ordeal which were also heard. The prosecution opinion was that Richardson had mild depression when they assessed her once in 2025. They said when returned to Türkiye she would deteriorate but she had a pattern of dealing with her symptoms and she would eventually become well enough to give her defence. Latham disagreed and said that solitary conditions and a lack of support from friends and family would mean her severe depression could continue and she would be more than likely be too sick to give her defence when she returned.
I believe the depression was caused by years of injustice rather than guilt.
@Helitrope @NellyPB with you, I think responding helps get some facts and issues attended to!
“Of course Id return, Id rather be wrongfully convicted and imprisoned than a lifetime of being a wanted fugitive confined to one region and perpetually unemployed.”
Umm, I think the prison sentence would be 10 years and an automatic ban from teaching and pretty much any profession so it makes no difference. Yes, being a fugitive out of the UK stinks and being an ‘accused’ person is horrific but there are legal remedies that could solve this.
Also, I was not referring to “EU Courts” but the European court in Strasbourg where they will examine court details.
Oh great! You do understand depression exists so how’s this. I believe Dr. Richard Latham and other health professionals assessing the RP DID diagnose her with severe depression at the beginning of her ordeal in 2019. I believe she has sought help and care over the ordeal which were also heard. The prosecution opinion was that Richardson had mild depression when they assessed her once in 2025. They said when returned to Türkiye she would deteriorate but she had a pattern of dealing with her symptoms and she would eventually become well enough to give her defence. Latham disagreed and said that solitary conditions and a lack of support from friends and family would mean her severe depression could continue and she would be more than likely be too sick to give her defence when she returned.
I believe the depression was caused by years of injustice rather than guilt.
@Helitrope @NellyPB with you, I think responding helps get some facts and issues attended to!
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@Heliotrope
I feel the same way. I write for the readership not for @Heliotrope. My concern is identifying the errors and holes in your claims and statements.
Yes we disagree.
@ Intl.Teach
No it does make a difference. The difference is if Miss. Pedo returns and is exonerated she serves zero prison time, can return to teaching and any other profession, as opposed to a GUARANTEE that if she remains a fugitive she wont be able to leave England without risk of being arrested and she will never be able to teach or practice any other profession.
Shes a wanted fugitive, not just an accused person.
Yes, I was referring to the European Court of Human Rights which is in Strasbourg, FR. Which is a European Court.
So what? Severe depression doesnt necessitate that someone is unable to contribute to their defense nor does it make them incompetent. By your own citation her depression is a result of her alleged criminal activity. She brought it on herself, its not a pass on accountability for her actions.
Thats just something you believe, it could just as much be guilt rather than injustice. You dont know.
Its my opinion that Miss Pedos depression is malingering, its performative. The equivalent of crocodile tears.
I feel the same way. I write for the readership not for @Heliotrope. My concern is identifying the errors and holes in your claims and statements.
Yes we disagree.
@ Intl.Teach
No it does make a difference. The difference is if Miss. Pedo returns and is exonerated she serves zero prison time, can return to teaching and any other profession, as opposed to a GUARANTEE that if she remains a fugitive she wont be able to leave England without risk of being arrested and she will never be able to teach or practice any other profession.
Shes a wanted fugitive, not just an accused person.
Yes, I was referring to the European Court of Human Rights which is in Strasbourg, FR. Which is a European Court.
So what? Severe depression doesnt necessitate that someone is unable to contribute to their defense nor does it make them incompetent. By your own citation her depression is a result of her alleged criminal activity. She brought it on herself, its not a pass on accountability for her actions.
Thats just something you believe, it could just as much be guilt rather than injustice. You dont know.
Its my opinion that Miss Pedos depression is malingering, its performative. The equivalent of crocodile tears.
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Re: UK Teacher Discharged from Turkish Extradition
@PsyGuy
Your ‘opinion’ is nothing as you are not a health professional. Malingering was disproven by both doctors instructed to asses her.
Again your argument just compounds the kafkaesque situation this is. Go back to years of detention as the case progresses through all courts and probably become very very unwell? or stay and be a fugitive? How about the claimants dropping the charges and a new investigation into circumstances being started?
I completely disagree that she would be able to continue as a teacher or a professional after being acquitted due to reputational issues. She’s had her life destroyed.
Your ‘opinion’ is nothing as you are not a health professional. Malingering was disproven by both doctors instructed to asses her.
Again your argument just compounds the kafkaesque situation this is. Go back to years of detention as the case progresses through all courts and probably become very very unwell? or stay and be a fugitive? How about the claimants dropping the charges and a new investigation into circumstances being started?
I completely disagree that she would be able to continue as a teacher or a professional after being acquitted due to reputational issues. She’s had her life destroyed.