The teacher was officially discharged from the extradition earlier in July.
https://www.doughtystreet.co.uk/news/gr ... -offending
“ The judge noted that while the merits of the underlying allegations were not a matter for the English courts, the Turkish prosecution’s case was “concerning” given that inter alia the complainant was interviewed in a manner which failed to accord with best practice, including the use of leading questions; allegations made by the complainant and her family that the requested person had abused an additional 15 pupils were not supported by any other pupil; and, the injuries relied on by the Turkish prosecution allegedly to demonstrate sexual abuse were, according to the defence expert evidence, readily explained by poor hygiene.”
Due process can now hopefully continue in Türkiye. Good luck to Rebecca.
UK Teacher Discharged from Turkish Extradition
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None of which means anything. The UK Court denying extradition doesnt resolve the case, its not a finding of innocence. Miss Pedo is still a wanted fugitive from a EU Country with an active red notice for her arrest from child assault charges in Türkiye.
The controlling phrase being "not a matter for the English courts". Everyone has an opinion and the English Court judges opinion in the matter is just editorial fluff. Defense experts are bias for the defense, of course their claims are going to favor the defense.
The controlling phrase being "not a matter for the English courts". Everyone has an opinion and the English Court judges opinion in the matter is just editorial fluff. Defense experts are bias for the defense, of course their claims are going to favor the defense.
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The ‘editorial fluff’ is taken from the judgement delivered by Judge Mcgava. ‘Inter alia’ suggests this point was one of many he made about the quality of evidence after reviewing ALL court documents.
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It's not 'editorial fluff'.
The judge has to take into account various things in deciding on an extradition. That can include prison conditions, the length of time before trial, and the likelihood that any trial will be fair. To consider the last point, he has to look at the potential evidence against her and whether he believes it would stand up in a UK court. Without reading the full judgement it's difficult to say (it doesn't seem to have been published yet) but it looks to me like both the judge and the Crown Prosecution Service - who made the decision not to appeal - believe that the evidence would not prove the case beyond reasonable doubt. So, it appears to be his opinion was that the evidence was circumspect, which resulted in him rejecting the application.
That's not to say that she won't be tried in Turkiye 'in absentia', but it does mean that it's highly unlikely that she would be extradited if found guilty in their courts.
The judge has to take into account various things in deciding on an extradition. That can include prison conditions, the length of time before trial, and the likelihood that any trial will be fair. To consider the last point, he has to look at the potential evidence against her and whether he believes it would stand up in a UK court. Without reading the full judgement it's difficult to say (it doesn't seem to have been published yet) but it looks to me like both the judge and the Crown Prosecution Service - who made the decision not to appeal - believe that the evidence would not prove the case beyond reasonable doubt. So, it appears to be his opinion was that the evidence was circumspect, which resulted in him rejecting the application.
That's not to say that she won't be tried in Turkiye 'in absentia', but it does mean that it's highly unlikely that she would be extradited if found guilty in their courts.
Re: UK Teacher Discharged from Turkish Extradition
@expatscot this particular case of extradition does not need prima facie evidence to extradite which is why the judges observations (not “opinions” as @PsyGuy writes) are so important in the case moving forward.
You are right the judgement is not “fluff”. PsyGuy needs to stick to his lane and troll about what he knows. He has been particularly hateful on this topic and clearly does not realise he is speaking about a real person, with widely reported mental health issues whose innocence is probably going to be proved in the future. I pity his colleagues and students for his lack of compassion.
The defence evidence IS important and until recently this had not made the media.
You are right the judgement is not “fluff”. PsyGuy needs to stick to his lane and troll about what he knows. He has been particularly hateful on this topic and clearly does not realise he is speaking about a real person, with widely reported mental health issues whose innocence is probably going to be proved in the future. I pity his colleagues and students for his lack of compassion.
The defence evidence IS important and until recently this had not made the media.
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No, it is editorial fluff.
Neither Judge Mcgava, the CPS, nor the English Courts have any jurisdiction or authority in deciding the merits of the case beyond extradition. Denying extradition is not an acquittal on the merits, evidence or facts in regards to Miss Pedos guilt or innocence against the child abuse charges in Turkiye. Any comment of Judge Mcgava, the CPS or the English Courts as a whole is nothing more than an opinion rendered with no more force or authority than any other opinion of someone who is not presiding or prosecuting the case in Turkiye.
Neither Judge Mcgava, the CPS, nor the English Courts have any jurisdiction or authority in deciding the merits of the case beyond extradition. Denying extradition is not an acquittal on the merits, evidence or facts in regards to Miss Pedos guilt or innocence against the child abuse charges in Turkiye. Any comment of Judge Mcgava, the CPS or the English Courts as a whole is nothing more than an opinion rendered with no more force or authority than any other opinion of someone who is not presiding or prosecuting the case in Turkiye.
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We know this is an extradition case but most people are relieved she does not have to languish in a Turkish prison for years until all methods of appeal have ended. An opinion from the UK legal system is a plus for putting pressure on Turkish authorities and also for her reputation.
Again, the findings in the extradition case will also be useful for the court in Strasbourg.
It is abundantly clear from Mcgarva’s findings that mental health was and is a huge issue so there is zero question now that she should have gone back to Türkiye.
Again, the findings in the extradition case will also be useful for the court in Strasbourg.
It is abundantly clear from Mcgarva’s findings that mental health was and is a huge issue so there is zero question now that she should have gone back to Türkiye.
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Aaaagh, my blood boileth.
I am sure Reddit posts and those on here were written to try and gain support for Richardson and were chosen because their audience might relate…
She worked internationally for twenty years. She was people’s colleague, friend, sister, child. She is not just a piece of clickbait to jab at. She has been done dirty by Turkish and UK press (plus a good few others we are unable to name) and I only hope that by reading through reviews on this forum and a few more enlightened pieces of journalism (ignore clickbait titles) that her true story is finally coming together. Folk commenting seem to forget that there are individuals out there who have attended open court hearings and have a very balanced view of events.
The prosecution case IS weak. It leant on the fact that Richardson had ‘fled’. An extensive extradition trial has now found that her mental health was never at question and amongst other issues she could/should not have returned. The Turkish court said she needed a Turkish psych exam. It was a Kafkaesque situation.
The actual child abuser hovering around this whole circus barely gets a mention in the reviews or forum, yet it seems fine to vilify this woman in a weak accusation case. Sorry to bring in gender, but maybe it is because she is a woman. Interesting fact. There are no figures collected for how many Turkish female child abusers.
And BTW Those of you who believe you picked the moral high ground for not getting involved are actually just sitting on a very cowardly fence. Get your feet down on solid earth and support this woman in a way that you can!
“If I'm guilty, I'm the ultimate figure to fear, because I'm not the obvious one. But, on the other hand, if I'm innocent, it means that everyone is vulnerable, and that is everyone's nightmare. Either I'm a psychopath in sheep's clothing, or I am you.”
Amanda Knox
I am sure Reddit posts and those on here were written to try and gain support for Richardson and were chosen because their audience might relate…
She worked internationally for twenty years. She was people’s colleague, friend, sister, child. She is not just a piece of clickbait to jab at. She has been done dirty by Turkish and UK press (plus a good few others we are unable to name) and I only hope that by reading through reviews on this forum and a few more enlightened pieces of journalism (ignore clickbait titles) that her true story is finally coming together. Folk commenting seem to forget that there are individuals out there who have attended open court hearings and have a very balanced view of events.
The prosecution case IS weak. It leant on the fact that Richardson had ‘fled’. An extensive extradition trial has now found that her mental health was never at question and amongst other issues she could/should not have returned. The Turkish court said she needed a Turkish psych exam. It was a Kafkaesque situation.
The actual child abuser hovering around this whole circus barely gets a mention in the reviews or forum, yet it seems fine to vilify this woman in a weak accusation case. Sorry to bring in gender, but maybe it is because she is a woman. Interesting fact. There are no figures collected for how many Turkish female child abusers.
And BTW Those of you who believe you picked the moral high ground for not getting involved are actually just sitting on a very cowardly fence. Get your feet down on solid earth and support this woman in a way that you can!
“If I'm guilty, I'm the ultimate figure to fear, because I'm not the obvious one. But, on the other hand, if I'm innocent, it means that everyone is vulnerable, and that is everyone's nightmare. Either I'm a psychopath in sheep's clothing, or I am you.”
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@NellyPB
If shes guilty, which she may well be, she deserves to languish in a Turkish prison.
A comment by the judge in the extradition hearing is not a finding on the facts or merits of the case.
An opinion from the UK legal system is worth an empty sack (nothing).
Miss Pedo is a wanted fugitive for child abuse. She should absolutely return to Türkiye. Her victims deserve justice, and criminality is assumed to contribute to a reduction in mental health.
@Intl.Teach
She a wanted fugitive for child abuse who ran from the authorities by refusing to return to the jurisdiction where she committed her crimes. Jeffrey Epstein had colleagues, friends, and family, it doesnt make him less of an abuser, and it doesnt make Miss Pedo less of an abuser either.
Their attendance at court and their observations equate to a laypersons opinion, no different than anyone elses opinion on anything.
If the case is SO weak and the Court or Prosecution would be pooping their pants, than Miss Pedo can return to Türkiye and be exonerated, but shes not going to do that because one of the valid conclusions is that she is indeed guilty of everything shes being accused of.
Türkiye is a European country its not some authoritarian governed dictator state.
Yes, people flee, its an action strongly indicative of guilt.
Having mental health issues is not a pass on abuse.
Interesting fact, woman can be abusers to.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/ ... 81735.html
The "psychopath in sheep's clothing" is an equally valid conclusion....
If shes guilty, which she may well be, she deserves to languish in a Turkish prison.
A comment by the judge in the extradition hearing is not a finding on the facts or merits of the case.
An opinion from the UK legal system is worth an empty sack (nothing).
Miss Pedo is a wanted fugitive for child abuse. She should absolutely return to Türkiye. Her victims deserve justice, and criminality is assumed to contribute to a reduction in mental health.
@Intl.Teach
She a wanted fugitive for child abuse who ran from the authorities by refusing to return to the jurisdiction where she committed her crimes. Jeffrey Epstein had colleagues, friends, and family, it doesnt make him less of an abuser, and it doesnt make Miss Pedo less of an abuser either.
Their attendance at court and their observations equate to a laypersons opinion, no different than anyone elses opinion on anything.
If the case is SO weak and the Court or Prosecution would be pooping their pants, than Miss Pedo can return to Türkiye and be exonerated, but shes not going to do that because one of the valid conclusions is that she is indeed guilty of everything shes being accused of.
Türkiye is a European country its not some authoritarian governed dictator state.
Yes, people flee, its an action strongly indicative of guilt.
Having mental health issues is not a pass on abuse.
Interesting fact, woman can be abusers to.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/ ... 81735.html
The "psychopath in sheep's clothing" is an equally valid conclusion....
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Re: UK Teacher Discharged from Turkish Extradition
@PsyGuy
I am not responding to any more of your comments as I think the quote below sums up your reality.
“Türkiye is a European country it’s not some authoritarian governed dictator state.”
I also need to remind you that you are commenting on an ongoing case in Türkiye. I did not comment as to her guilt I merely made an observation that a judge in the UK has ruled that she was always too ill to return and that the evidence is weak and flawed.
I am not responding to any more of your comments as I think the quote below sums up your reality.
“Türkiye is a European country it’s not some authoritarian governed dictator state.”
I also need to remind you that you are commenting on an ongoing case in Türkiye. I did not comment as to her guilt I merely made an observation that a judge in the UK has ruled that she was always too ill to return and that the evidence is weak and flawed.
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Re: UK Teacher Discharged from Turkish Extradition
@PsyGuy there are no figures collected on ‘Turkish’ female perpetrators. Very hypocritical to then start and continue a case against a foreign female.
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@Intl.Teach
No its not hypocritical, but even if it was so what. Your leading inference is that you cant punish abusers for criminal behavior (or prosecute alleged said criminal behavior) without doing demographic research. Your offer is a textbook red herring fallacy.
No its not hypocritical, but even if it was so what. Your leading inference is that you cant punish abusers for criminal behavior (or prosecute alleged said criminal behavior) without doing demographic research. Your offer is a textbook red herring fallacy.
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PsyGuy wrote:
> Türkiye is a European country its not some authoritarian governed dictator
> state.
Uhm, in the World Justice Project 'Rule of Law Index 2023', Türkiye was ranked 117th out of 142 countries.
It scores poorly on constraints on government powers, fundamental rights, and civil justice.
Also, no on 'dictator state' but yes on 'authoritarian governed'. Türkiye is however widely regarded (by political scientists and democracy indexes) as an authoritarian regime rather than a liberal democracy.
Freedom House 2024 classifies as “Not Free” with a score of 31/100.
On the Democracy Index 2023, Türkiye ranks 103rd out of 167 countries.
It ranks 115th of 180 countries in perceived corruption (lower ranking = more corrupt).
It looks like she has plenty of reasons to believe there's a reasonable chance she won't receive a fair trial, so that might the actual reason for her unwillingness to return.
I'm highly doubtful you would return to Türkiye willingly if you were wrongfully accused of the same. I certainly wouldn't. I would however return if it had been Denmark rather than Türkiye, since I have way more faith in fairness of the Danish judicial system.
> Türkiye is a European country its not some authoritarian governed dictator
> state.
Uhm, in the World Justice Project 'Rule of Law Index 2023', Türkiye was ranked 117th out of 142 countries.
It scores poorly on constraints on government powers, fundamental rights, and civil justice.
Also, no on 'dictator state' but yes on 'authoritarian governed'. Türkiye is however widely regarded (by political scientists and democracy indexes) as an authoritarian regime rather than a liberal democracy.
Freedom House 2024 classifies as “Not Free” with a score of 31/100.
On the Democracy Index 2023, Türkiye ranks 103rd out of 167 countries.
It ranks 115th of 180 countries in perceived corruption (lower ranking = more corrupt).
It looks like she has plenty of reasons to believe there's a reasonable chance she won't receive a fair trial, so that might the actual reason for her unwillingness to return.
I'm highly doubtful you would return to Türkiye willingly if you were wrongfully accused of the same. I certainly wouldn't. I would however return if it had been Denmark rather than Türkiye, since I have way more faith in fairness of the Danish judicial system.
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@Heliotrope
So this is how rank ordering works. If I have 10 students and their scores on an assessment range from the 90th percentile to the 100th percentile, one of them or some group of them performed worst (the bottom) compared to the others, but the 90th percentile is a pretty high score even if its the bottom of the range.
Out of 142 (or some other X of y) countries someone has to rank at the bottom.
The "World Justice Project" and its reports are just the publications of some organizations opinion, its no different and no more authoritative than anyone elses opinion. Türkiye is still Europe, its not Russia or N.Korea.
Political scientists and democracy indexes are likewise just opinions of people. America is an authoritarian regime. In England individuals were arrested for speech they on social media. Not hallmarks of liberal democracy.
Freedom House is just more organizational opinions.
None of these data points were kept from Miss Pedo, she wasnt held at gun point and forced to enter or work in Türkiye. She voluntarily and willingly put herself in that situation. Its kind of like going to Russia with illegal drugs and when bad things happen being surprised. If Türkiye is such a bad region, why would Miss Pedo get on the plane.
Miss Pedo doesnt know if the trial would be fair because shes chosen to be a fugitive from a European country that issued a lawful warrant and which Interpol subsequently issued a red notice for her arrest and detention. Shes beaten extradition from England but that doesnt apply to anywhere else, or any other EU country.
I wouldnt go to Türkiye in the first place.
Im highly doubtful you would return to Türkiye willingly if you were rightfully and justifiably accused of the same (nor Denmark for that matter).
So this is how rank ordering works. If I have 10 students and their scores on an assessment range from the 90th percentile to the 100th percentile, one of them or some group of them performed worst (the bottom) compared to the others, but the 90th percentile is a pretty high score even if its the bottom of the range.
Out of 142 (or some other X of y) countries someone has to rank at the bottom.
The "World Justice Project" and its reports are just the publications of some organizations opinion, its no different and no more authoritative than anyone elses opinion. Türkiye is still Europe, its not Russia or N.Korea.
Political scientists and democracy indexes are likewise just opinions of people. America is an authoritarian regime. In England individuals were arrested for speech they on social media. Not hallmarks of liberal democracy.
Freedom House is just more organizational opinions.
None of these data points were kept from Miss Pedo, she wasnt held at gun point and forced to enter or work in Türkiye. She voluntarily and willingly put herself in that situation. Its kind of like going to Russia with illegal drugs and when bad things happen being surprised. If Türkiye is such a bad region, why would Miss Pedo get on the plane.
Miss Pedo doesnt know if the trial would be fair because shes chosen to be a fugitive from a European country that issued a lawful warrant and which Interpol subsequently issued a red notice for her arrest and detention. Shes beaten extradition from England but that doesnt apply to anywhere else, or any other EU country.
I wouldnt go to Türkiye in the first place.
Im highly doubtful you would return to Türkiye willingly if you were rightfully and justifiably accused of the same (nor Denmark for that matter).
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PsyGuy wrote:
> @Heliotrope
>
> So this is how rank ordering works. If I have 10 students and their scores
> on an assessment range from the 90th percentile to the 100th percentile,
> one of them or some group of them performed worst (the bottom) compared to
> the others, but the 90th percentile is a pretty high score even if its the
> bottom of the range.
> Out of 142 (or some other X of y) countries someone has to rank at the
> bottom.
>
> The "World Justice Project" and its reports are just the
> publications of some organizations opinion, its no different and no more
> authoritative than anyone elses opinion. Türkiye is still Europe, its not
> Russia or N.Korea.
>
> Political scientists and democracy indexes are likewise just opinions of
> people. America is an authoritarian regime. In England individuals were
> arrested for speech they on social media. Not hallmarks of liberal
> democracy.
>
> Freedom House is just more organizational opinions.
You're trying to discredit reputable indices compiled by experts in their fields, but you think your "Türkiye is a European country its not some authoritarian governed dictator state" is a better argument?
> None of these data points were kept from Miss Pedo, she wasnt held at gun
> point and forced to enter or work in Türkiye. She voluntarily and willingly
> put herself in that situation. Its kind of like going to Russia with
> illegal drugs and when bad things happen being surprised. If Türkiye is
> such a bad region, why would Miss Pedo get on the plane.
I'm sure she wasn't planning on being (falsely) accused when she made that decision. Probably over half of international teachers are working in countries where the judicial system is lacking to various degrees. I think nobody really considers there will be false charges thrown out you, because it doesn't happen a lot.
> Miss Pedo doesnt know if the trial would be fair because shes chosen to be
> a fugitive from a European country that issued a lawful warrant and which
> Interpol subsequently issued a red notice for her arrest and detention.
> Shes beaten extradition from England but that doesnt apply to anywhere
> else, or any other EU country.
Well, not knowing if the trial is going to be fair is a good reason to stay in the UK. And there are certainly reasons for her to think it might be unfair.
> I wouldnt go to Türkiye in the first place.
> Im highly doubtful you would return to Türkiye willingly if you were
> rightfully and justifiably accused of the same (nor Denmark for that
> matter).
If I were guilty of such a crime, I would stay in the UK of course. But if I was innocent, I'd still wouldn't return to Türkiye given how experts rate their judicial system.
However, if I was innocent I would return to Denmark to clear my name, although it's likely the lack of evidence would make it a non-starter there.
> @Heliotrope
>
> So this is how rank ordering works. If I have 10 students and their scores
> on an assessment range from the 90th percentile to the 100th percentile,
> one of them or some group of them performed worst (the bottom) compared to
> the others, but the 90th percentile is a pretty high score even if its the
> bottom of the range.
> Out of 142 (or some other X of y) countries someone has to rank at the
> bottom.
>
> The "World Justice Project" and its reports are just the
> publications of some organizations opinion, its no different and no more
> authoritative than anyone elses opinion. Türkiye is still Europe, its not
> Russia or N.Korea.
>
> Political scientists and democracy indexes are likewise just opinions of
> people. America is an authoritarian regime. In England individuals were
> arrested for speech they on social media. Not hallmarks of liberal
> democracy.
>
> Freedom House is just more organizational opinions.
You're trying to discredit reputable indices compiled by experts in their fields, but you think your "Türkiye is a European country its not some authoritarian governed dictator state" is a better argument?
> None of these data points were kept from Miss Pedo, she wasnt held at gun
> point and forced to enter or work in Türkiye. She voluntarily and willingly
> put herself in that situation. Its kind of like going to Russia with
> illegal drugs and when bad things happen being surprised. If Türkiye is
> such a bad region, why would Miss Pedo get on the plane.
I'm sure she wasn't planning on being (falsely) accused when she made that decision. Probably over half of international teachers are working in countries where the judicial system is lacking to various degrees. I think nobody really considers there will be false charges thrown out you, because it doesn't happen a lot.
> Miss Pedo doesnt know if the trial would be fair because shes chosen to be
> a fugitive from a European country that issued a lawful warrant and which
> Interpol subsequently issued a red notice for her arrest and detention.
> Shes beaten extradition from England but that doesnt apply to anywhere
> else, or any other EU country.
Well, not knowing if the trial is going to be fair is a good reason to stay in the UK. And there are certainly reasons for her to think it might be unfair.
> I wouldnt go to Türkiye in the first place.
> Im highly doubtful you would return to Türkiye willingly if you were
> rightfully and justifiably accused of the same (nor Denmark for that
> matter).
If I were guilty of such a crime, I would stay in the UK of course. But if I was innocent, I'd still wouldn't return to Türkiye given how experts rate their judicial system.
However, if I was innocent I would return to Denmark to clear my name, although it's likely the lack of evidence would make it a non-starter there.