PsyGuy wrote:
> No its: (A) It doesnt make sense; (B) The story keeps changing.
> First the IS is broke, then the IS is broke but the owners arent, then its the IS isnt really broke its two owners arguing over who should pay your
visa renewal. That still doesnt make sense because the cost of that isnt very high.
Again, PsyGuy I get your skepticism. If this was a completely closed forum, I'd tell you the exact location and give you the exact details to make it all clear. It is simply not a matter of a couple of hundred dollars. If it were, I'd be long gone, because I'd pay myself.
> Then theres the story of your own coin. Its not even the middle of the month and you cant afford to feed yourself and first it was a friend and
then a relative that sent you some emergency funds, but how did you make it to the end of the month the last month and the month before that?
I barely made it, that's how. Friends here helped out. Family helped out as well. The major issue isn't here; the major issue is I don't make enough to save anything to send home.
>If the IS can afford to absorb your housing they can afford the visa renewal.
The housing doesn't cost them a dime. It's an asset they already own. What they don't want to do, is dip into the school's funds to pay. And it's like it's the principle of the thing to the owner with the pull to fix it. The other one should be paying, because that one wanted the expat. Yet the other one is so disgusted with things, that owner is not willing to spend anything anymore. Which means now the one who could have fixed things, is suddenly on the hook for things like staff salaries, which now makes them even less likely to want to help. It's almost like they are transferring their aggression on the other owner to me. Fixing my visa is, in their eyes, like letting the other one get away with it.
>. The embassy wont help and wont escort them out and half the parents want the LW to stay and they would be very upset about the LWs mistreatment.
Actually, all the parents would want me to stays--of course, nothing is ever 'all' but you get the point. If nothing else, they have lost a good number of students. It would signal to them that the school is not serious in committing resources. My understanding is at least a couple of parents know my situation. If the school did not address it, and something happened to me as a result. I think they would be very upset and cause a ruckus. It might be enough to even cause more withdrawals, which is why I believe the school doesn't want to out and out cut me loose.
> Now the IS apparently would swoop into the rescue if anything bad happened with immigration.
#1 for the reason stated above, to avoid bad publicity. #2 there are some on the periphery of the ownership group who are not happy at my treatment. If nothing else, they would take action to at least get me out of the country. My understanding is, they haven't acted on that, because they actually would like me to stay. I have been told by some in the know that those people are getting fed up with certain things, as far as how money is being spent, and may start directly involving themselves in affairs and one of them would be making sure I am treated well.
> This is just a prelude to a solicitation for donations, if only some generous people were to help the LW out with their fines and their costs
they could go to the airport and leave. The LW is adamant that they are going to stay put until someone comes to their rescue.
Not at all. Not in the least. Are you talking about soliciting from here? How? The thought never crossed my mind. #1 I would think this site would instantly shut me down if I did. #2 It's nowhere as cheap as you think, but in a worst case, I would appeal to family/friends. Yes, on point of principle, I do think the school should step in. If I were independently wealthy, I'd probably step in, but I am not at this point. At some point, I think they are going to, if only to save an embarrassing situation on down the road. I haven't even hinted that I would ask for friends/family to step up, because then I'm pretty sure they would immediately seize on that to exploit me further. The problem is, I'm not dealing with one person. If I were, I'd know where I'd stand now, and if it were a hard no from them, I'd start appealing to friends/family for funds.
Again, when people told me the Embassy will help you out, if you were employed by a school and then they didn't do what was required. They apparently were wrong. I could see if I just was wondering about and suddenly decided I want to go months later and asked them to help, why they might say that was on you. But if I essentially overstayed due to a false promise, I thought they'd at least call, but some pressure on them and at least escort me out. I imagine if I had 30 million Instagram followers they might have done so, but not for just a plain ordinary teacher it seems.
Again (I can't emphasize this enough) I didn't come here to solicit any funds at all. Just wondered if anyone had gone through this, or if there are some strategies to use with the Embassy that cause them to take action. I've got two friends who will gladly book a flight home, no questions asked, because they think I am wasting my life here. It's the getting out at this point.
Maybe one day when I am safely out, I will give all the details and it would make perfect sense, but this is in no way shape or form any time of solicitation for funds. Simply solicitation for advice.
MONTHS later--found out school did not do my visa. Help!
Re: MONTHS later--found out school did not do my visa. Help!
Ask the school for your passport back. Hopefully you’re right and the school hands it over. Ask your two friends to buy you the flight they offered. Leave.
That is your only real option.
I’ll repeat myself from earlier: if the school/owners wanted this fixed, it would already be fixed.
Also a repetition: even if they fixed it, you’d still be in a horrible position. Having a visa doesn’t make it better to work for shady con artists and get paid peanuts.
They have made it clear how much they care about you. For whatever reason, it suits them just fine to have you suffer and to keep you in a position where you could be arrested. Believe what they are showing you.
The embassy is not there to help you. They are there for political and business relationships. Citizen support is really limited. Get it out of your head that the embassy will rescue you. They can issue an emergency passport. Nothing more - they won’t even loan you the money to get out since you have family/friends who have indicated they will do so.
I don’t know whether you are faking all this, or simply unwilling so far to take the advice given, but I don’t see what else anyone can do for you until you decide to act.
Stop asking for advice. Take what you’ve been given. Sometimes medicine isn’t tasty.
That is your only real option.
I’ll repeat myself from earlier: if the school/owners wanted this fixed, it would already be fixed.
Also a repetition: even if they fixed it, you’d still be in a horrible position. Having a visa doesn’t make it better to work for shady con artists and get paid peanuts.
They have made it clear how much they care about you. For whatever reason, it suits them just fine to have you suffer and to keep you in a position where you could be arrested. Believe what they are showing you.
The embassy is not there to help you. They are there for political and business relationships. Citizen support is really limited. Get it out of your head that the embassy will rescue you. They can issue an emergency passport. Nothing more - they won’t even loan you the money to get out since you have family/friends who have indicated they will do so.
I don’t know whether you are faking all this, or simply unwilling so far to take the advice given, but I don’t see what else anyone can do for you until you decide to act.
Stop asking for advice. Take what you’ve been given. Sometimes medicine isn’t tasty.
Re: MONTHS later--found out school did not do my visa. Help!
@Sid, you wrote:
I don’t know whether you are faking all this, or simply unwilling so far to take the advice given, but I don’t see what else anyone can do for you until you decide to act.
There is no reason (unless I was mentally disturbed) to be faking. Notice I haven't named the school or the country, or asked for any appeals for money. The day will come when this thread closes and the only thing I can guarantee--there will be no appeals for money.
You are right about the Embassy is not there to help citizens. It's there for geopolitical purposes. A person whose aspiration is to work for the Embassy has clearly drunk the Kool-Aid on that one. They are the ones who advised me togo. I suppose the one exception would be if I had a personal relationship with someone in the Embassy. Unfortunately, I don't.
As far as leaving, I keep coming back to the same question; how do I get out of the airport? Some ideas that have been bandied about are my family wants to embarrass the school by calling them and asking them to pay whatever fees are needed to leave properly. Some in my family have suggested they might message those who have replied a school social media, to see if there is a parent among them, so the school will take action before the embarrassment gets out of hand. Their reasoning is, the school can't blame me, as I can't control what my very worried family may do There are some who say a doctor should confirm I am under severe stress, thus I should be allowed out for health reasons.
The latest I have heard is be patient, there are some advocates for you among the owners who are not happy with my treatment, and they may be willing to assert themselves in the next few days, and pressure the owners to pay any exit fees that would be incurred, and possibly pay for the flight. The flight payment would be an added bonus, but I would be more than happy if they just escort me the heck out the airport, no questions asked.
I have had multiple conversations suggesting this school is a no go. I agree. I can't imagine an outcome that this school offers anything remotely resembling a quality education, and my guess is the school will soon shut down, unless the owners resolve their differences and bring in quality people. I won't be one of them. So, it comes down to this?
How do I leave the country? Doctor's note attesting to stress? Family threatens to create a public relations nightmare, and then I, the cooler head, suggest let's just resolve this peacefully for the good of the school? How? What other leverages can I bring to bear, as the Embassy seems to be of little help?
I don’t know whether you are faking all this, or simply unwilling so far to take the advice given, but I don’t see what else anyone can do for you until you decide to act.
There is no reason (unless I was mentally disturbed) to be faking. Notice I haven't named the school or the country, or asked for any appeals for money. The day will come when this thread closes and the only thing I can guarantee--there will be no appeals for money.
You are right about the Embassy is not there to help citizens. It's there for geopolitical purposes. A person whose aspiration is to work for the Embassy has clearly drunk the Kool-Aid on that one. They are the ones who advised me togo. I suppose the one exception would be if I had a personal relationship with someone in the Embassy. Unfortunately, I don't.
As far as leaving, I keep coming back to the same question; how do I get out of the airport? Some ideas that have been bandied about are my family wants to embarrass the school by calling them and asking them to pay whatever fees are needed to leave properly. Some in my family have suggested they might message those who have replied a school social media, to see if there is a parent among them, so the school will take action before the embarrassment gets out of hand. Their reasoning is, the school can't blame me, as I can't control what my very worried family may do There are some who say a doctor should confirm I am under severe stress, thus I should be allowed out for health reasons.
The latest I have heard is be patient, there are some advocates for you among the owners who are not happy with my treatment, and they may be willing to assert themselves in the next few days, and pressure the owners to pay any exit fees that would be incurred, and possibly pay for the flight. The flight payment would be an added bonus, but I would be more than happy if they just escort me the heck out the airport, no questions asked.
I have had multiple conversations suggesting this school is a no go. I agree. I can't imagine an outcome that this school offers anything remotely resembling a quality education, and my guess is the school will soon shut down, unless the owners resolve their differences and bring in quality people. I won't be one of them. So, it comes down to this?
How do I leave the country? Doctor's note attesting to stress? Family threatens to create a public relations nightmare, and then I, the cooler head, suggest let's just resolve this peacefully for the good of the school? How? What other leverages can I bring to bear, as the Embassy seems to be of little help?
Re: MONTHS later--found out school did not do my visa. Help!
Any sound advice takes the legal and cultural background of the country into consideration. If you can't even name the country you are in we can do nothing more than wishing you the best. Maybe the guys at reddit can give you better advice: https://www.reddit.com/r/Internationalteachers/
Re: MONTHS later--found out school did not do my visa. Help!
evilharo wrote:
> Any sound advice takes the legal and cultural background of the country into consideration. If you can't even name the country you are in we can do
> nothing more than wishing you the best. Maybe the guys at reddit can give you better advice: https://www.reddit.com/r/Internationalteachers/
Thank you for this @evilharo. I don't want to run foul of the moderators by naming the country, and also want to remain under the radar. Also, people are underestimating the cost. If it were as cheap as they think, I'd simply ask a relative/friend to send the paltry amount and leave. Disclosing the exact amount might A) expose the country and B) make the people here who think I am 'faking' think I am paving the way for solicitation of funds. The one thing you will never see on this thread is me asking for funds. (Come to think of it, if someone is so sleazy as to invent a new user name asking for funds in this matter, let me state categorically for the record, report them to the moderators, do not send them a dime, because that is something I would never do.
The cultural thing I am working on. There is the pull, shall we say, to fix this. It's really just a money squabble among the owners.
Will check out the reddit. Not a member, but at least I can read. I know one person who knew one person who worked at an Embassy, but so far, no luck in contacting that person. No doubt if I were a Kardashian, they'd take steps, but I'm not.
> Any sound advice takes the legal and cultural background of the country into consideration. If you can't even name the country you are in we can do
> nothing more than wishing you the best. Maybe the guys at reddit can give you better advice: https://www.reddit.com/r/Internationalteachers/
Thank you for this @evilharo. I don't want to run foul of the moderators by naming the country, and also want to remain under the radar. Also, people are underestimating the cost. If it were as cheap as they think, I'd simply ask a relative/friend to send the paltry amount and leave. Disclosing the exact amount might A) expose the country and B) make the people here who think I am 'faking' think I am paving the way for solicitation of funds. The one thing you will never see on this thread is me asking for funds. (Come to think of it, if someone is so sleazy as to invent a new user name asking for funds in this matter, let me state categorically for the record, report them to the moderators, do not send them a dime, because that is something I would never do.
The cultural thing I am working on. There is the pull, shall we say, to fix this. It's really just a money squabble among the owners.
Will check out the reddit. Not a member, but at least I can read. I know one person who knew one person who worked at an Embassy, but so far, no luck in contacting that person. No doubt if I were a Kardashian, they'd take steps, but I'm not.