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How competitive would I be?

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:48 am
by adpdying
Hello,

Looking to the future, I'm considering looking for a teaching job in Taiwan starting from 2021 (to allow me to complete two year post-qualification experience). I'd like to know how competitive I'd be when it comes to looking for jobs.

Here is my background:
2010 PhD Chemistry (UK)
2012-2015 Teaching at Chinese tier 3(4?) school. Mainly a mish-mash of different courses including Chemistry and Calculus on a US university pathway programme, and a lot of AP Calculus.
2018-2019 Teaching qualification (UK/PGDipEd Science/Chemistry)
2019-present Science/Chemistry teaching in UK state school KS3/GCSE/A-Level

I can account for all the gaps, I just haven't included them for brevity and because they are less relevant.

I'm only really interested in Taiwan as I want to live in a mandarin speaking country that isn't PRC. My mandarin is advanced. Single/no kids.

Any help/advice very welcome. Thanks.

Re: How competitive would I be?

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:17 pm
by marieh
I would say incredibly competitive, especially if you're actually good at teaching chemistry and calc. Those are hard subjects to find qualified teachers for.

Re: How competitive would I be?

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:00 pm
by funteacher
You'll be competitive but since what you are looking for is so limited you won't necessarily find something good. You're at the mercy of whoever is hiring. You would be competitive if you were open minded with location, but you're not.

Re: How competitive would I be?

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:07 am
by adpdying
Well, that's interesting to know. I'm aware of the limitations I'm placing on myself. However, I thought my relative lack of post-qualification would count against me.

Re: How competitive would I be?

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:19 am
by marieh
adpdying wrote:
> Well, that's interesting to know. I'm aware of the limitations I'm placing
> on myself. However, I thought my relative lack of post-qualification would
> count against me.
Not with a Ph.D and those subjects. That said, my brain sort of glossed over the "only Taiwan" part. In that case, funteacher is right - you're limiting yourself to an extremely small pool with only one truly good international school on the island. If you expanded your search to China, you'd have much better odds.

Re: How competitive would I be?

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:43 am
by adpdying
Any information on how competitive Taiwan is in general? Doesn't seem to get mentioned as much as other neighbours in the region.

Re: How competitive would I be?

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:53 pm
by IE_sciteacher
You will be able to get a job in Taiwan with your credentials. The quality of school and package may be the big question mark, based on years of experience. I have found that the better the school the more weight they place on experience teaching compared to level of knowledge in the taught field. Top schools expect a competent knowledge of the subject but once that is checked they care more about the ability to teach the subject. Lower tier schools may get excited at the PhD as it would be a marketable feature for admissions.

Re: How competitive would I be?

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:24 am
by adpdying
Possible to take a job at a lower tier school and work my way up inside the country?

Thanks for all the advice everyone.

Re: How competitive would I be?

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:55 am
by shadylane
marieh wrote:
my brain sort of glossed over the
> "only Taiwan" part. In that case, funteacher is right - you're limiting
> yourself to an extremely small pool with only one truly good international school on
> the island.

True - there really only is the European option ;-)

To the OP - do they speak enough Mandarin in Singapore for that to be a possibility ?

Re: How competitive would I be?

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:06 am
by adpdying
No, unfortunately, despite it being one the official languages, and promoted due to the rise of the PRC, even younger generations of ethnic Chinese people generally have pretty crappy Mandarin.

I know, I'm not doing myself any favours, but Taiwan just ticks all my boxes.

Re: How competitive would I be?

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:09 pm
by shadylane
Then send your CV to the American and the European schools there. With a PhD and as an experienced and fully qualified / certified teacher you stand a good chance of getting some interest.

There are other international schools on the island. Some of them are the kind that put people off teaching for life though, so be careful.

Re: How competitive would I be?

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:47 am
by adpdying
Those two, obviously, would be great. But they seem like a big reach for me.

How familiar are you with the other schools on the island? I've made a list of schools - perhaps I could run it by you?

Re: How competitive would I be?

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:54 pm
by Psychometrika
Taiwan is odd in that there are really no tier 2 schools which are the best fit for you right now. You could apply to the top ones but the competition will be fierce even if there are openings.

Are mainland schools completely out of the question? You could almost certainly pick up a tier 2 school position there that would allow you to build up an experience base while earning a vastly better salary than what the lower ranked schools in Taiwan would offer.

Re: How competitive would I be?

Posted: Fri May 01, 2020 12:54 am
by adpdying
Yes, I'm starting to think that if my long-term goal is Taipei, the most effective route there might be through mainland China, despite my reservations about returning there. What would be some appropriate schools in PRC for my position?

Re: How competitive would I be?

Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 11:49 pm
by eion_padraig
There are a lot of jobs in China where you might be hired. The main thing is to get IB and/or AP teaching experience. Taipei American School and Taipei European School (these are the only 2 schools I'd consider working at in Taipei with the order I listed being intentional; only 1 down south Kaohsiung American School) both teach IB curriculum and TAS also teaches AP.

In China, I'd say if you can work at a school that primarily serves non-Chinese passport holders, you're better off. Also, I'd recommend the non-profit international schools and avoid the chain schools if possible. But again, that's an ideal situation in my opinion. I've had friends and colleagues move from schools in China to both of those schools.

The main problem is you're late to the hiring season, though you may be in luck as people may have decided not to make the move. The bigger issue is that the border is closed unless you have a Chinese or Taiwanese passport.

Eion