Parking a HI license for a non American

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chemteacher101
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Parking a HI license for a non American

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A few years ago I got myself a Standard license from Hawaii. I would ideally like to "park" this somewhere that does not require so many hoops to jump through when renewing. As a non-US citizen, what are my options? Most discussions on parking licenses seem a few years old, so I am not sure if the information there is still current.

Is NJ Standard only given to US citizens? Would it make any difference if I actually have a social security number from having previously worked in the US?

I am intrigued by the CA Clear credential, but am I right in thinking it's incredibly hard to meet al the requirements?

Any other options?

Also, I think I should be able to apply to QTS, but the forms to apply based on recognition seem to imply that I did my teacher training in the US, which is not the case. Any advice in how to properly fill in the initial form which asks for the information on my teaching credential is appreciated (I imagine I would fill in that it was a credential from the HTSB, but have no idea if for teacher training I would include the dates from when I did it in my home country, even if these were ages before the date in which the HI credential was issued)...

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There isnt. The two options for you in keeping a professional grade license are HI, which is better suited to ITs that have a leader in the IS to sign off on meeting the dimensions for renewal as outlined in their renewal process or DC which among others has an option for logging acceptable PD hours or you can retake the PRAXIS exams in your subject area. Otherwise you would have to downgrade to an entry grade credential such as the MA Provisional credential which is effectively lifetime. Thats within the US, in the past this wasnt much of an issue because non-US ITs were more interested in QTS and using a US credential to get it, so renewal wasnt an issue to consider.

NJ has a Non-Citizen Standard (professional grade) credential but its only valid for 5 years and youd have to show progress in obtaining citizenship to renew it.

The CA CLEAR credential used to be harder, as they required effectively a Masters degree to obtain, they no longer require that but you would have to obtain a HI ESOL endorsement to meet the CA English authorization requirement without doing the equivalent of a ITT/EPP program. Doing this for HI would require you to take some PRAXIS exams.
But its not going to work anyway, CA doesnt issue regular credentials to non-citizens any longer.

QTS is ina a state of change. Basically a number of too many British and European ITs were using DC credentials through Teach Now to obtain full QTS circumventing both ITT training in the UK and induction. the TCL/TRA wrote a memo saying that US ITT/EPP training had to include the field component in the US as opposed to overseas. Teach Now wrote a letter with the understanding that they would litigate if they didnt issue QTS, the TCL/TRA relented in some aspects but they are now moving forward with stronger legal backing that the training program must include field experience within the borders of the jurisdiction issuing the credential.
If you want to go this route and apply anyway, you either have to be willing to engage in some deceptive subterfuge or increase the risk your QTS application is denied.

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Re: Parking a HI license for a non American

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Thanks for the info. Just wondering:

1. How exactly does NJ check for citizenship? Simply curious.
2. About HI renewal: I did read that the renewal was either a school leader signing off (as you mention) or a rather long process involving lots of documentation. In terms of having the school leader just signing off that the school meets the standards for renewal: is it that simple? They sign and HI never bothers checking? I'm not even sure how I would ask my principal or HOS to sign this... Is this "normal"?

3. I actually did not do Teach Now. I did not train as a teacher in the US, nor in EU. I did a NACES evaluation of my home degree which came out to meet the requirements for HI license as it states that it allows me to teach in my home country. That's how I got the HI license. Not sure if that would allow me to get QTS since I did actually do the teacher training in the same place where I actually did my student-teaching. I guess we'll see.

4. Just out of pure curiosity, what is the "deceptive subterfuge" you seem to find viable?

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chemteacher101 wrote:
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> 3. I actually did not do Teach Now. I did not train as a teacher in the US,
> nor in EU. I did a NACES evaluation of my home degree which came out to
> meet the requirements for HI license as it states that it allows me to
> teach in my home country. That's how I got the HI license.

Hi Chemteacher101,

I'd be interested in hearing about the process you went through to get your Hawaii license, given you were trained outside the U.S. I have a friend who would like to do it, also.

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Re: Parking a HI license for a non American

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Sure. Actually, I've been meaning to make a post in the main forum with my experience, in case it's useful for others. Expect it in a few minutes (probably there by the time you read this).

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@chemteacher101

In direct reply to your inquiries:

1) Your required to demonstrate your progress in obtaining US citizenship, which usually involves some form various documents obtain from US immigration, primary among them is presence and working in the US under some form of permission such as a H1B1 visa, taking courses in US civics, and generally showing that you are living, working and contributing to US culture and society. Its a standard that outside immigrating to the US is very difficult to make.

2) Yes its really that simple. Your HOS or other appropriate leader signs the form and you upload the document to your HTSB account. They will typically look up the IS on the web for evidence that its an IS with a recognized curriculum and sometimes they will email the leader who signed the form, but thats it.

3) No, With BREXIT the TCL/TRA now recognizes in addition to US/UK/CAN/AUS credentials they now also recognize EU credentials as well. The TCL/TRA is very specific, that its not the regional authority you hold a credential from bu holding a credential from the regional authority that you completed your ITT/EPP program from. You might slip through the cracks though.

4) You would need to state on your QTS application you taught in or for HI, which would require you to compose a letter from a DS/IS in HI that you create, that you completed field experience within or as part of their DS/IS. Create an email address for the signing individual of the letter so that you can respond to any inquiry that the TCL/TRA makes.

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