contract back out repercussions

Heliotrope
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PsyGuy wrote:
> @Heliotrope
>
> *effect.

Nope, it's 'affect', but I'll let it rest.


> More years of experience increases the marketability of an IT, that doesnt
> make it harder. An IT with four years experience is just as marketable to a
> third tier floater IS as an IT with six years experience. Marketability
> doesnt equal difficulty.

It improves your chances if you're applying to a tier 1 or 2 school.
If you're aiming for a tier 3 IS, you need a pulse and certification (and sometimes just the pulse suffices). The better tier 3 schools will want two years of experience.


> All other factors rarely exists.

It's called a hypothetical, as in 'IF all other factors were equal'. Having a good amount of experience is part of the equation. It goes in the 'plus' column.


> Having two years vs. four years doesnt make a whole lot of difference
> either.

It does.
We disagree.


> Are you sure or are you guessing again? HODs dont matter, but if they do
> know thats only because you told them or informed them in some other way,
> thats your decision not an unavoidable outcome.


Read again, I said I'm quite sure. It could be that one of them has dementia now for example, in which case they might not remember.
HODs do matter.
And if my HOD asks which school I'm going to, I'm not gonna say that it's none of is business.


> So stay out of the news. Lesson learned.

If you're part of the school, you can't stay out of the news. The school list names in their newsletter. If it was your job to lead an activity, and that activity was mentioned, you might be mentioned as well. Not much you can do to avoid that.


> Already know contract law and dont need to look it up, oh wait which one of
> the many, many, many, countries and legal jurisdictions that ITs and ANYONE
> can move in and through should I have looked up. Not that there is anything
> to look up. This has been discussed before theres very little a contract
> from any field can really do.

I meant just the term 'contract law', as they all have in common that contracts are worth more than the piece of paper they're printed on. It's not true that 'in no professional field would someone be faulted for taking a better opportunity' – in plenty of fields they will if you signed a contract.
Less so in IE, although I've worked at one school where breaking a contract meant paying around 15,000 USD (it was written in the contract), and they certainly went (succesfully) after the ones that did.
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@Heliotrope

No, its effect.

No it doesnt, because both two and three years is insufficient compared to competition at that tier. If looking at tier two ISs and competitive resumes theres just as insignificant a difference between five years and six years and at tier 1 ISs theres just as insignificant a difference between eight years and nine years of experience.

Im not retreating into a bubble with you where your hypothetical exists.

No, two years and four years doesnt make a lot of difference. We disagree.

I read it, youre affirmation of being "quite sure" doesnt mean a whole lot.
HODs dont matter.
I would, but admittedly Id use less abrasive language.

Yes you can its easy to stay out of the news, dont do anything with activities thats noteworthy. Dont do MUN, dont do sports/athletics. Dont do anything with competitions or that produces anything. Run the anime club.

Contracts may be worth more than they are written on but in western law when it comes to employment matters they dont and they arent. It is true that in NO profession would it be held against you or considered a failing for going with a better deal.
No, it wouldnt, such civil litigation would not be successful.
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PsyGuy wrote:
> No it doesnt, because both two and three years is insufficient compared to
> competition at that tier. If looking at tier two ISs and competitive
> resumes theres just as insignificant a difference between five years and
> six years and at tier 1 ISs theres just as insignificant a difference
> between eight years and nine years of experience.

Three is better than two.


> Im not retreating into a bubble with you where your hypothetical exists.

Then you have no business discussing this. A lot of these discussions are about hypotheticals, you don't get to pick and choose. Well, I guess you do, if you're afraid your point is undercut by it.


> No, two years and four years doesnt make a lot of difference. We disagree.

Yes it does, and we do.


> I read it, youre affirmation of being "quite sure" doesnt mean a
> whole lot.
> HODs dont matter.
> I would, but admittedly Id use less abrasive language.

Why don't HODs matter?


> Yes you can its easy to stay out of the news, dont do anything with
> activities thats noteworthy. Dont do MUN, dont do sports/athletics. Dont do
> anything with competitions or that produces anything. Run the anime club.

Some activities are part of the job.
Plus, why would you go to so much trouble to stay out of the news?
Just do MUN or sports if you enjoy that. MUN looks great on your CV as well.
And also, don't ghost schools. It saves you the trouble of having to stay out of the news.


> Contracts may be worth more than they are written on but in western law
> when it comes to employment matters they dont and they arent. It is true
> that in NO profession would it be held against you or considered a failing
> for going with a better deal.
> No, it wouldnt, such civil litigation would not be successful.

Plenty of lawyers make a good living because of contracts that have been broken.
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@Heliotrope

No its not, numbers define quantity not quality, 3 is more than to it is not better.

I have every business discussing it, I do not need to retreat to your froopy land to engage the issue. I absolutely get to pick and choose, I am the sole and exclusive authority on what I will and will not engage in discussion. You have no rule making authority that you can either compel my compliance nor enforce my obeyance. I present my positions and claims because I consider them strong enough to withstand debate.

No it doesnt and we disagree.

HODs dont matter.
Everything thats the job is part of the job, it need not include noteworthy activities.
Humbleness, Why wouldnt you extend resources to stay out of the news? Are you some spotlight glory seeking diva?
I enjoy MUN, I enjoy it less when its part of the job. I enjoy it even less when it involves teaching and travel.
Dont get in the news, it makes ghosting ISs easier.

Not in employment law they dont.
Heliotrope
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It has been pointed out in another thread that our back and forths are not productive.

Even though I disagree with most or all of what you've just said, I'll refrain from replying, and trust other people's judgement to identify misinformation or opinions stated as fact as such in any of your (or my) replies.
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