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Most in-demand subjects for international schools?

Re: Most in-demand subjects for international schools?

Postby elemtio » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:41 am

@Psyguy
What about for someone who does not currently hold any teaching license (but has teaching experience in French and an unrelated B.Sc. degree not from the US)? Any options to seek a license to serve as a librarian?
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Re: Reply

Postby Thames Pirate » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:47 am

PsyGuy wrote:
> @Heliotrope
>
> We disagree, as I wrote " it is the consensus of the major
> contributors as well as other sources that 2 years of post credentialing
> experience in a K12/KS environment is the ultimately recommended
> pathway". RECOMMENDED.
>

To what--a third year of teaching? This is such a bizarre statement.

If you mean 2 years in a domestic school before going abroad, there is no such consensus.
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Postby PsyGuy » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:02 am

@Thames Pirate

Yes, the major contributors consensus is two years post credentialing in a K12/KS environment (DS) is the recommended pathway.

@elemtio

Are you a US citizen/PR? There is a duo step process using MS, similar to the PGCEi process with CT and MS but MS requires you to be a US citizen/PR for credentials that arent permits.
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Re: Reply

Postby Heliotrope » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:07 am

PsyGuy wrote:
> We disagree, as I wrote " it is the consensus of the major
> contributors as well as other sources that 2 years of post credentialing
> experience in a K12/KS environment is the ultimately recommended
> pathway". RECOMMENDED.

I'm literally quoting you word for word here:
"As established by forum consensus and other sources, ITs generally require two years of post credentialing experience obtained in DE to enter IE."
Not sure how 'recommended' changes anything anyway, as only the two years of experience is recommended. Where it is obtained isn't important to the rest of your career. There's no consensus of the major contributors on DE over IE for those two years.
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Postby PsyGuy » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:23 am

@Heliotrope

We disagree. The major contributors consensus is two years post credentialing in a K12/KS environment (DS) as the recommended pathway.
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Re: Reply

Postby Heliotrope » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:30 am

Yes, we disagree. The major contributors consensus is that most decent ISs want a teacher with at least two years post-credentialing experience in either a DS or IS.
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Re: Reply

Postby elemtio » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:34 am

PsyGuy wrote:
> @elemtio
>
> Are you a US citizen/PR? There is a duo step process using MS, similar to
> the PGCEi process with CT and MS but MS requires you to be a US citizen/PR
> for credentials that arent permits.

Nope; non-US Citizen living abroad (but I do have a SSN as I lived in the US for a couple of years). If you can think of any options for getting a license to serve as a school librarian (not involving expensive studies like TeacherReady) I would definitely be interested!
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Re: Most in-demand subjects for international schools?

Postby Thames Pirate » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:59 am

You are missing the point Recommended pathway to what?

You should get two years of experience after getting a credential. Heck, get three or five or twenty. That is the recommended pathway.

Your statement makes no sense. You don't specify whether you are referencing a pathway to a top school or just to, I don't know, Burning Man. You don't specify where these two years should take place. In other words, you just say you should get two years' experience after a credential. Well, I agree--and again, while you are at it, get a bunch more.
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Postby PsyGuy » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:22 am

@Heliotrope

We disagree. The major contributors consensus is two years post credentialing in a K12/KS environment (DS) as the recommended pathway.

@Thames Pirate

The major contributors consensus is two years post credentialing in a K12/KS environment (DS) as the recommended pathway prior to entry into IE.

@elemtio

There is no such assessment based pathway. While you characterized Teach Ready as too expensive, neither Teach Now nor Teach Ready allow a candidate to obtain a librarian credential. You could use Teach Now to get a teaching credential, but without US citizenship/PR MS wont issue you a 5 year professional credential and thus you wouldnt be able to add the library/media endorsement though PRAXIS. Even ACSI would require 12 credits in library studies/science to get a temporary certificate.
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Re: Most in-demand subjects for international schools?

Postby Thames Pirate » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:25 am

Clearer, and wrong--there is absolutely NOT consensus since a number of us on here have contradicted this view. LOTS of schools hire new teachers.
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Re: Most in-demand subjects for international schools?

Postby Doctor » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:27 am

In my experience, you will get more offers as an IB/A-level math teacher than as an IB/A-level physics teacher, although there are always plenty of job teaching physics.

I have to agree with PsyGuy about libraries - they are fast becoming obsolete and could be replaced by a good, reliable internet connection. In fact, half the time they aren't even called libraries; they are called learning centers. Although I still prefer holding a book over a kindle, other than assigned reading or text work, I never see my students carrying a book.
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Re: Most in-demand subjects for international schools?

Postby Thames Pirate » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:32 am

Doctor wrote:
> In my experience, you will get more offers as an IB/A-level math teacher
> than as an IB/A-level physics teacher, although there are always plenty of
> job teaching physics.
>
> I have to agree with PsyGuy about libraries - they are fast becoming
> obsolete and could be replaced by a good, reliable internet connection. In
> fact, half the time they aren't even called libraries; they are called
> learning centers. Although I still prefer holding a book over a kindle,
> other than assigned reading or text work, I never see my students carrying
> a book.

Sad for your students. Ours can't get enough. Of course, there may be a chicken-egg thing going on.
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Re: Reply

Postby Heliotrope » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:58 pm

Entry into IE?
You just need to be certified for that, if you're not picky about the school.
The two years experience (in a DS or an IS) is needed to get into a decent school.
I know @Thames Pirate said the same, but I'll repeat it so it's clear there's a broad consensus in this thread now.
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Re: Most in-demand subjects for international schools?

Postby nwcutie » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:17 pm

Disregarding the personal attacks and petty bickering, this discussion is of great interest to me because over 22 years, I have worked for a district and kids that I LOVE, and have multiple endorsements because I have always been willing to teach what they need me to teach - our district stresses having the proper qualifications though.

Certs:
- 4-12 Chemistry (my major)
- 4-12 Biology (minor)
- 4-12 Physics
- 4-12 Earth and Space Science
- K-12 Library and Media Specialist (32 credits to back it up)
- K-12 Health & Fitness, (teaching yoga and mostly sex ed)

Clubs:
- MESA
- Coding
- Readers Council/Word Nerds

I ADORED my 3 years as our LMS because I taught information literacy/digital citizenship/critical thinking skills as well as having my reading council and providing the teachers with their planning periods. The library is truly the heart of the school and so critical for developing 21st century citizens/learners!

We would like to make the transition to an IS in 2 more years when the youngest graduates, but I have to say some of the discussions have me scratching my head....but they are helpful too (I just skim past the bickering.)

I keep reading, gathering info, and planning. Please keep sharing info because there are many people that want to learn more about IT.

Thanks...………..
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Postby PsyGuy » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:39 am

@Thames Pirate

No it correct, two years post credentialing in a K12/KS environment (DS) ai the recommended pathway.

@Heliotrope

The major contributors consensus is two years post credentialing in a K12/KS environment (DS) as the recommended pathway.

@Doctor

You will however, have even broader marketability if you have both physics and maths proficiency and experience.

@nwcutie

I dont agree, the library has become more a meeting place for students to socialize in the A/C when they dont want to go outside. Again, a lot of the role a library and a librarian has in an IS depends greatly on the tasking of the librarian, there are ISs that fund and Incorporate their library into the academic milieu better than others, but libraries are transforming and so are librarians, its become less a literary position and more an ICT role.
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