Re: Rep
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:21 am
PsyGuy wrote:
> @Thames Pirate
>
> You can know an IS and city in weeks, its doesnt take years and nothing
> magical happens that extra third year. I push my practice everyday from day
> one, maybe you wait until; the second term, and maybe thats why YOU ned a
> third year. None of that has any bearing on your claim that you have to do
> an extra third year or more or you wont be valuable to future ISs, and your
> career will stagnate and be doomed.
Leaving aside your deliberate misunderstanding of my claims, if you actually believe you can (or should) come in ready to write all new curriculum for a school, you are both a reckless fool and a pompous and proud soloist. Neither is good for a school. To be a team player, you need to know the team, and to write a curriculum or program that works for students, you need to know both what they have and what they need. Both of those things take time.
> You dont need more than two years to get good at "writing new units,
> particularly collaboratively, or building lasting systems or
> programs". Maybe you do, but thats TPF. You can start a service
> project legacy your first term, plan field trips, the same with a
> science-history-librarian program.
Again, you can do this in the latter half of year one, typically for the material in that time. However, for it to be systemic, it needs buy-in, and teachers with one foot out the door don't have that.
You can build over two years but even if
> we assumed you couldnt even if that as impossible, than ISs can offer
> longer contracts and incentivize ITs to stay longer and increase their
> value add.
The two-year protects the IS from having that pompous solo fool sticking around long enough to destroy too much of what was working. If the school wants more time with a teacher, they can and do offer it. If the teacher never takes it at any posting, it's a sign of the teacher's weakness, not the schools'. If it wasn't offered, it's a sign of the teacher's weakness as well. At least that is how recruiters see it.
A leader can sit down with an IT and say, you dont have any
> complaints but you havent done much while your here, I can write a
> reference with hat you have or e can extend your contract another year and
> really give you an opportunity to add value, or whatever. The other ITs who
> ere super awesome an amazing who did all that in 18 months with time to
> spare, they dont have to prove anything with a third or longer year.
Having good or even excellent classroom practice is generally enough for the strong reference and the next two-year contract. If you really want to leave your mark on a school, you need a minimum of three years, probably more unless it's a very young or developing school. Top schools can choose between strong classroom practitioners and strong classroom practitioners who know how to build lasting programs and work as part of a team toward the school's vision. The latter takes time to develop, and top schools will prefer the latter.
Of
> course ISS would like to retain and keep those ITs, theres a way of doing
> that its called "adding value" for the IT.
And a string of two year contracts demonstrates that even this is not enough for the teacher, meaning the next school is also unlikely to entice the person to stay--so they will move on to someone whom they can entice if they want and who has demonstrated buy-in and an investment into the school.
>
> @GrumblesMcGee
>
> We already have terms for those:
>
> Tourist IT is the IT who enters IE and works a couple years (1-4), show the
> spouse a different lifestyle, get the kids an IS diploma, and then they
> leave IE going back to their HOR.
>
> Backpacker IT is the IT who spends less than a year and moves from IS to
> IS. That doesnt mean its illegitimate there are ITs who focus on the
> supply/relief/substitute aspect of IE, and they typically move between IE
> and EE. They might be a month here, a term there, then they move on down
> the trail.
>
> Traveler IT is the IT that does there contract and then moves on to another
> country or region. They come see the sights, live the culture and then move
> on to something new.
>
> House IT is the IT who works for one IS/DS for there contract and then
> staying in the same location because they reside there, typically have
> economic reasons for moving on, move to another IS in the same region.
>
> Dispatch ITs live in a given region and IE is just some portion of their
> work schedule. They combine various less than FTE appointments from one IS
> to another.
>
> We just dont use the backpacker, traveler, dispatch and house IT because
> thy dont come up often and tourist and traveler ITs got commingled.
I love it when PsyGuy invents terms. Should we add these to the already nonsensical glossary thread?
> @Thames Pirate
>
> You can know an IS and city in weeks, its doesnt take years and nothing
> magical happens that extra third year. I push my practice everyday from day
> one, maybe you wait until; the second term, and maybe thats why YOU ned a
> third year. None of that has any bearing on your claim that you have to do
> an extra third year or more or you wont be valuable to future ISs, and your
> career will stagnate and be doomed.
Leaving aside your deliberate misunderstanding of my claims, if you actually believe you can (or should) come in ready to write all new curriculum for a school, you are both a reckless fool and a pompous and proud soloist. Neither is good for a school. To be a team player, you need to know the team, and to write a curriculum or program that works for students, you need to know both what they have and what they need. Both of those things take time.
> You dont need more than two years to get good at "writing new units,
> particularly collaboratively, or building lasting systems or
> programs". Maybe you do, but thats TPF. You can start a service
> project legacy your first term, plan field trips, the same with a
> science-history-librarian program.
Again, you can do this in the latter half of year one, typically for the material in that time. However, for it to be systemic, it needs buy-in, and teachers with one foot out the door don't have that.
You can build over two years but even if
> we assumed you couldnt even if that as impossible, than ISs can offer
> longer contracts and incentivize ITs to stay longer and increase their
> value add.
The two-year protects the IS from having that pompous solo fool sticking around long enough to destroy too much of what was working. If the school wants more time with a teacher, they can and do offer it. If the teacher never takes it at any posting, it's a sign of the teacher's weakness, not the schools'. If it wasn't offered, it's a sign of the teacher's weakness as well. At least that is how recruiters see it.
A leader can sit down with an IT and say, you dont have any
> complaints but you havent done much while your here, I can write a
> reference with hat you have or e can extend your contract another year and
> really give you an opportunity to add value, or whatever. The other ITs who
> ere super awesome an amazing who did all that in 18 months with time to
> spare, they dont have to prove anything with a third or longer year.
Having good or even excellent classroom practice is generally enough for the strong reference and the next two-year contract. If you really want to leave your mark on a school, you need a minimum of three years, probably more unless it's a very young or developing school. Top schools can choose between strong classroom practitioners and strong classroom practitioners who know how to build lasting programs and work as part of a team toward the school's vision. The latter takes time to develop, and top schools will prefer the latter.
Of
> course ISS would like to retain and keep those ITs, theres a way of doing
> that its called "adding value" for the IT.
And a string of two year contracts demonstrates that even this is not enough for the teacher, meaning the next school is also unlikely to entice the person to stay--so they will move on to someone whom they can entice if they want and who has demonstrated buy-in and an investment into the school.
>
> @GrumblesMcGee
>
> We already have terms for those:
>
> Tourist IT is the IT who enters IE and works a couple years (1-4), show the
> spouse a different lifestyle, get the kids an IS diploma, and then they
> leave IE going back to their HOR.
>
> Backpacker IT is the IT who spends less than a year and moves from IS to
> IS. That doesnt mean its illegitimate there are ITs who focus on the
> supply/relief/substitute aspect of IE, and they typically move between IE
> and EE. They might be a month here, a term there, then they move on down
> the trail.
>
> Traveler IT is the IT that does there contract and then moves on to another
> country or region. They come see the sights, live the culture and then move
> on to something new.
>
> House IT is the IT who works for one IS/DS for there contract and then
> staying in the same location because they reside there, typically have
> economic reasons for moving on, move to another IS in the same region.
>
> Dispatch ITs live in a given region and IE is just some portion of their
> work schedule. They combine various less than FTE appointments from one IS
> to another.
>
> We just dont use the backpacker, traveler, dispatch and house IT because
> thy dont come up often and tourist and traveler ITs got commingled.
I love it when PsyGuy invents terms. Should we add these to the already nonsensical glossary thread?