Experienced EFL Teacher looking for a quick US Cert

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@teachjzy

ELA is a better choice over reading for ESOL.
In regards to the CA CLEAR credential you must meet the English Learner requirement and the only way to do it, without taking the CA designated course/program is to have an endorsement/credential in ESOL.

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@psyguy

My Utah APT cert is expiring in June of this year, so I moved it over to MS and was granted a license but only the 2 year non-renewable cert as per this letter that I received:

• Original documentation verifying completion of an approved educator preparation program. This documentation must be on the letterhead of the particular agency where the educator preparation program was completed.

Apparently I would still need to do a program to get the 5 year license, although that is not stated on there licensure guidelines:

(5 year) Class A
1. Valid out-of-state license(Upload PDF copy of valid out-of-state educator license via Educator Licensure Management System (ELMS) account or submit photocopy of original educator license via postal mail)
2. Official Sealed copy of all college transcripts
3. Documentation must be provided to show a passing score on a subject assessment required for each endorsement area of certification by the
issuing state, or documentation that verifies the out-of-state license was obtained in a manner equivalent with current Mississippi license guidelines for that license.

Is it worth trying to fight it and push for the 5 year or should I just take the 2 years and be happy i got that? At least I have extended my license until June 2022.

Thanks for the advice.

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@jkubok2

Maybe. Whats your goal?

If you appeal for the 5 year credential, the guidelines arent going to matter all that much. The DOE will cite MS code 37-3-2.8(a) and 37-3-2.8(b) which addresses reciprocity
"37-3-2.8(a) The department shall grant a standard license to any individual who possesses a valid standard license from another state and meets minimum Mississippi license requirements or equivalent requirements as determined by the State Board of Education."
The UT APT credential is not a standard (professional) grade credential thus:
"37-3-2.8(b) The department shall grant a nonrenewable special license to any individual who possesses a credential which is less than a standard license or certification from another state."
Youre counter argument would be to cite code 37-3-2.6(h) relating to highly qualified status.
"Any teacher from any state meeting the federal definition of highly qualified, as described in the No Child Left Behind Act, must be granted a standard five-year license by the State Department of Education."
Assuming you can obtain a letter from the UT DOE that you are highly qualified under UT law than your argument ins because the US supreme court has established that the meaning of shall is "may" and the only term that makes something mandatory is "must", which the highly qualified statute mandates.

Again though whats your goal, that appeals process isnt going to be settled over night they arent likely to roll over, and if they dont youre going to be arguing this for years.

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@psyguy

Thank you as always for the extremely useful information and for laying out the basic arguments very succinctly.

As per your question, my goal is to get a renewable secondary ed license that in 4 years time I can eventually move to another state in the US where I actually want to live, or possibly move it to Australia. I do not want to live nor teach in Mississippi. I only moved the license there because Utah would not allow me to renew my APT license.

Maybe a very brief background would be helpful. Currently, my wife and I are living in Japan and teaching EFL in a university here. Also I'm working on a Master's in TESOL, already hold a BA in Eng Lit and a number of other EFL certs We will be here for the next 4 years and after that we would move to either the US or Aus because I'm American and she's Australian and we have a new baby daughter that we would like to raise in one of our home countries depending on political climate, finances, family, etc, etc.

So after our 4 years here, I would love to have a teaching license then that allows me to easily take up a secure secondary ed post in a high school (assuming that I couldn't find a full-time ESL uni teaching post. Most ESL uni posts in English speaking countries are adjunct unfortunately.) In that high school, I would teach either ELA or ESL as I have passed the PRAXIS in both 5039 and 5362. Therefore, as I said, I need a license that would allow me not only do that, but also that will not expire on me in the next 4 years while we are in Japan. In short, I need a license that won't die on me in the next 4 years. The UT one was 3 years non-renewable (expires June 2020) and the 2 year MS one is also non-renewable (expires June 2022).

I'm open to any and all suggestions. Thank you again for all of your sound advice. It is greatly appreciated.

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tangchao wrote:
> May I paraphrase?
>
> I can't be bothered doing the training to become a real teacher but I want
> a certificate that says I am.

This! As we are interviewing for next school year I am so frustrated by people calling themselves teachers who do everything they can to avoid a degree in education, can't give me one good example of a Learning Objective, know little to nothing about pedagogy, developmentally appropriate practice, or classroom management.

Some of us actually chose education as a major. I have more than 1,000 hours student and intern teaching. Through those mentors I learned so much. Skipping around the credentialing process is an insult to real teachers, and you are doing a serious disservice to the children you are "teaching".

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PsyGuy wrote:
> @teachjzy
>
> ELA is a better choice over reading for ESOL.
> In regards to the CA CLEAR credential you must meet the English Learner
> requirement and the only way to do it, without taking the CA designated
> course/program is to have an endorsement/credential in ESOL.

There is no such thing as an endorsement/credential in ESOL in California.

https://www.ctc.ca.gov/credentials/

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@psyguy

Could you transfer the MA provisional license to the 5 year MS license and then apply for QTS? Also, have you heard anything about the Minnesota professional portfolio pathway? It seems like as long as you pass the tests and have extensive experience in your field you can get a standard teaching license.

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@jkubok2

You should probably stop dong things then. Youre burning through a small number of credentials, and non of the available options have a transition pathway that doesnt include gaining K12/KS experience. In a couple years you can apply for the MS AEL (again?) then youre going to need to take some exams again to get the MA provisional credential, and thats going to be it until you get into a K12/KS classroom and its only those handful of state DOEs that will recohgnise that mall number of credentials. HI being the keystone of them. You get three years of K12/KS experience under one of those credentials and you can standardize to the Standard (professional grade credential).
None of that is going to matter for AUS, you need coursework to qualify for full registration (professional grade) and none of the assessment or skills pathways will meet those requirements. So either start looking at getting experience or start looking into a degree program.

@Alchemeister

No, for the same reasons you cant do that with the UT credential. You would need to prove HQ status from MA, and MA isnt likely to do that.

Sure, but you would be getting an entry level credential, not a professional one. You wouldnt be able to use it for QTS (they would require a tier 4 credential from MN). Tier 3 in MN is the entry grade credential, tier 4 th professional grade credential. Tiers 1 and 2 are really permits.
The portfolios are also a lot of work, why bother when you can get the UT AEL credential then use that time to take the MA MTEL and get the non expiring, no renewal needed MA provisional credential and during those combined times complete three years of teaching experience and get the HI Standard (professional grade) credential.

@wt2015

Yes there is. Its called "World Language: English Language Development" you can find the mutual recognition guidance here:
https://www.ctc.ca.gov/docs/default-sou ... cb197917_8

You can find the definition of English Language Development here:
https://www.ctc.ca.gov/docs/default-sou ... ac01781_10
To include as described by the CTC "This type of instruction is also known as English as a Second Language (ESL) or Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages (TESOL)"

The single subject credential "World Language: English Language Development" is one such credential authorized for the delivery of English language services, as described here:
https://www.ctc.ca.gov/docs/default-sou ... c1862043_8
"The World Language:ELD content area authorizes departmentalized ELD instruction including reading, writing, listening, and speaking..."

So no, youre wrong, CA has an ESOL credential.

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