Explanation of TIER LEVELS??

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Yankdude
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Explanation of TIER LEVELS??

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Greetings - I am new to this whole INT'L thing and have learned without IB/INT'L experience, I should stick to applying at "Tier 2" schools as "Tier 1"/"elite" schools would be overshooting and expecting to much. My questions:

1. Is their a standard definition for the various tier levels?

2. Is their a listing of the schools for each tier level?

Probably wishful thinking, but thought I woud ask.

Any info. appreciated.
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There is no objective definition of Tier 1, Tier 2, or Tier 3, and as such there is no "master list" of who is in which list, and to that end even if there was no one would agree on it. Youd have some consensus with schools like WAB (Beijing), and ISB (Bangkok), but there would still be a lot of disagreement. Though if your on the international school circuit long enough you get a feel for which schools are at which tier. School quality also has a lot to do with where you are a tier 2 school in Hong Kong, might be a tier 1 school in mainland China...

There is no "definition" of Tier 1, Tier 2, or Tier 3. Its all subjective, in general when teachers describe a tier 1, etc school from one another it comes down to

1) Compensation package
2) Work environment.

Historically the compensation package is the priority, not because of greed or anything, but because its easy to quantify. If your in Brazil, $30K is better then $28K. Schools that pay more for a given region tend to have more stable finances (a sign of longevity, given enrollment, and reputation), and have larger endowments, meaning they have been around long enough to develop efficiency and have well planed capitol projects. Better schools can charge more in fees, and be more selective in their admissions. This creates more "cash" on hand for salaries and benefits.

COMPENSATION:

Typically includes (in this order of importance/priority:

1) Salary (based on number of contract or teaching hours per week)
2) Housing (including utility costs)
3) Tuition (If you have kids. In addition if you have a non teaching spouse, how easy is it for them to find a job)
4) Transportation (Including Airfare, moving, and settling in allowances).
5) Insurance (Mostly how good the medical is)
6) Retirement (Including end of year bonuses).

WORK ENVIRONMENT:

Working conditions is the far more subjective of the two. It means something slightly different to everyone. But can include as a general principal (and these get more "fuzzy" the lower I go):

1) Staff/Faculty/Parents:How qualified are your co teachers? Do they know what they are doing? Do the aids, secretaries try and help you? Is the PTA crazy helicopter parents? Are the parents really the ones running the school?

2) Admins Management Style: Biggest reason for a school to go down hill. Does the admin back the teachers? Are they just a spokesperson for the owners? Do they yield to parent pressure? Do they value faculty input? Do they care?

3) Organization: Does the front/back office run efficiently? Do you get reimbursed in a timely fashion? Are salaries paid on time? Is the school relationship with the local immigration bureau good, can they process visas, permits, etc quickly?

4) Resources: Do you have a projector? Access to computers, internet? Can you make copies when you need too. What about textbooks, are they old and out dated, do teachers even use them? Whats the library look like? Whats the cafeteria look like (do they feed the teacher lunch?) Do you have a classroom/department budget, or do you have to ask for everything?

5) Academics: Do they have a curriculum? Do they use the curriculum? Does the department share a common curriculum or does everybody teach what they know and prefer? What are the assessment/grading policies and procedures?

6) Community: Are the people nice, friendly, helpful? What's there too do in the area? Is it safe? Clean? Is transportation easily accessible? Availability of shopping/groceries? Medical Care? This could be a long one....

JOB SEARCH:

Most 3rd tier schools advertise on TIE Online, Joy Jobs, and with SEARCH. You can also find them on Daves ESL Cafe (They advertise everywhere, except the "selective" recruitment agencies, such as ISS)

Tier 3 schools either pay very well because the only reason someone would work there is the money, or they pay enough to get by. Most of these schools are in the middle east or africa. There are some very "beautiful" schools that Dante could use to deepen the levels of hell a bit, and the only reason they have faculty is because 1) The money, 2) Desperate teachers who cant do any better. Of course one issue that i see common with Tier 3 schools is related to "safety" either the regional culture is very very rigid, with serious consequences for what you might consider "minor rule infractions" or the region/area could become quickly hostile and dangerous...

Your typical "ESL School" is right around the border between tier 3 and tier 2 schools.

"Elite" schools are a subset of tier 1 schools, that represent the top school(s) in the region. Why a separate category? well there is typically a substantial and significant increase in work and compensation between the "elite" school and the other tier one schools.
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Post by Rutabaga »

Frankly, I wouldn't pay too much attention to the tiers. Apply broadly and see what happens. There is no point in not applying to a good school because you think you won't get the job. You never know unless you try and sending out one extra email is really not time consuming. You might have what that school is looking for. You never know. Furthermore, finding the right school is also about finding the right fit. It might be a Tier 1 school, but if it's not the right place for you, it won't matter.
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Post by heyteach »

Frankly, I wouldn't pay ANY attention to the whole "tier" thing. It's pretty useless and, as noted, very subjective. I see people here get really obsessed about which tier a certain school is in, and it's really a useless system. I would like to soundly thump the person who started the whole idea.
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That would be interesting

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Im always interested in the genesis of ideas. I dont know when the tier system became known, but i dont think we could get rid of it. We might have called it something else, but human beings have a drive to organize things, and comparing and naming is one of the primary ways we do that. It some very meaningful ways its just like students grades. Students want to know how their performance is measured, and other teachers and parents, and students, and admins, and recruiters want to know how other schools are measured compared to others. Unless and until all schools are created and maintained as being "equal" to one another theres going to be some kind of ranking system.

I would strongly agree however that "fit" with you and everything that makes up a school is far more important then where they rank in the tier system.
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Post by Yankdude »

Thank you all for the info./feedback. Very informative and helpful information. It really clears things up for me.

Thanks again....
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