Not sure to understand as I never mentioned a 120h fsl/fle certificate or diploma here.

If you're telling not to translate my degree as I do, I disagree : my degree is clearly equivalent to a bachelor and grant me access to a master, which I did afterwards.

You're right that, for some countries, a B.Ed implies that you're a fully trained teacher, nonetheless this is not the strict definition of a "Bachelor" of Education". If I had a "LicenCe in Maths", I would have had to translate it into "Bachelor of Maths" as its direct English equivalence.

I have worked in Asia, Africa and Europe and never had a problem. Actually, the apostilled translation given by a registered translator was "mastership" for which I disagree and find questionable to say the least.

Hum, you make me confused. ^^
As I mentioned that I have already a master, I wonder whether you missed this info or you are really saying that an M.Ed might suffice you to have a license in DC.

I feel I should describe a bit more my profile here to get the best suggestions:
I plan on doing Teach-Now as I am an FSL teacher. My Bachelor (Licence in FR) is a standard 3 years level (generally equivalent to the 4-year bachelor in the US) but I enrolled directly in the third year thanks to equivalences. It is more or less a Bachelor of sciences of Social sciences with a strong emphasis on education. So far, I translated it into a B.Ed on my resume and no one questioned it.
I fear that my transcripts, split between an associate's degree for the first 2 years in a completely different field (Performing arts...), plus only one year of courses in this "B. Ed" will definitely raise questions during the NACES examination.

My master MEEF is a strange one as well as it was in its first version. It is, as always, a 2-year degree but our first year was mostly focused on preparing us for the competition test as it was the first year of the "Masterization" reform to become a teacher at the Ministry of Education. No longer a bachelor was enough and a Master was mandatory to candidate to the test to become a teacher. Meaning, the content of my first year is a bit of a joke in terms of Master standards are we did lots of revisions about every subject (Education but also History, Maths, Geography, etc.)
I fear that my transcripts, during the NACES process will also raise questions...

As you can see, I have no official training in teaching FSL despite positive feedback and reports (TPA in Ontario, so-called UNO school, etc.). I don't have experience in an American international school to validate my experience.
Last, I moved a lot and it does not reassure employers despite I did it for career opportunities...

Based on this background, correct me if I am wrong, I can go through the NACES process first. I doubt they will recognize my education as an ITT. If they do, great. Otherwise, I can do Teach-Now (TN) then Praxis for French, then obtain a DC license.
I also worry about how to get a DC license without a Social Security Number (SSN) and how to provide a proper background check (DBS)?

You also say that a master might allow me to candidate for a License. Please elaborate. I assume that you mean I can first get a teaching license, then candidate for a leadership license which requires a minimum of a Master's degree (any?) and take the SLLA to achieve it.
By the way, how hard is this SLLA? Is it like the Praxis? I was surprised to get at least 7/10 in any topic I would take, including subjects I never studied! ^^

As you can see, a Havard sticker on this resume could be nice for marketing reasons! ;)

On a side note, I agree with your comments about different objectives in education between Europe and the US. Actually I would rather make groups such as South of Europe / USA+ North of Europe.
Finally, I fully agree with your thoughts on the history of education. We did not invent the wheel recently... Again, lots of marketing speech and it is a pity that many teachers do not even see it.

Hi,

Thanks for your replies.

@marieh
Just to clarify, I never mentioned a master from Harvard but a certificate. I concur with PsyGuy that I don't see a problem to write Havard on the resume as, in the IS market, I don't see real legal issues/risks. One should mention the difference in an interview for honesty and clarity.

@PsyGuy
As I said in my previous message, I already gave up on this UotP master as it was not about leadership. The website was very unclear, at least for a non-native. ^^
I noted the partnership with IBO but there is only one optional IB internship to do, with the prerequisite to have completed all the core and specialization courses. Students are warned they will probably be obliged to travel. The criteria remain obscure so far and I am not sure if this partnership is so deep.

American education is a f** business, prices are ridiculous and I start to wonder about the actual quality. A master there is between 30/60 CH (credit hour), in France the last Master I reviewed was 320 hours. ECTS are more or less equivalent to CH so I wonder what one actually learns with a US master, considering respectfully that both of them require long hours of personal studies between the lessons.

When I read that 16000USD is nothing, I feel that it is already a lot for many people, that education access should not be based solely on your (family) income. It saddens me to see that one can say it is cheap even if I do understand that it is relatively speaking.
In comparison, while not everything is perfect here, one year of university in France is around 400 euro, social insurance included, then students with lower income can apply for a study allowance. Think about it. :)

Finally, as for the Harvard certificate, having it on my resume might compensate for the doubts generated by a European degree. Nonetheless, I remain doubtful about the actual knowledge in the end. I already tried "Leaders of Learning"(HarvardX/Edx) and I cannot say it was enlightening so much.

PsyGuy, the Master you suggested is too expensive as I will already pay for Teach-Now and I am unemployed.

Thank you.

I have the same reasoning than you about Harvard and its reputation. However, with the emergence of multiple certificates, micro-masters, impressive certificates titles from prestigious unis but with a minimal content (6 up to 15h), I suspect that recruiters start to be cautious regarding what actually training one display on his resume.

As for European certifications, this is not the feedback I receive...
First, recruiters usually don't know what is my degree and just wonder if I am certified in my country. I never saw any of them doing an extra mile to check exactly what my degrees were worth, which leads to my second point:

Recruiters are too busy or lazy to pervade each non-standard resume. Therefore, uncommon profiles usually end up to the second or third stack of resumes during the selection process.

International education is an English speaking world. American schools would more likely hire American teachers with known US certifications. On the other hand, the PGCE benefits from a simple and unique terminology which makes it, on top of training to teach the well spread UK curriculum, a clear and recognizable qualification for any hirer. Proof is that Teacher Horizons selects teachers with a PGCE+QTS first, then CAN/US certifications. I heard it from a colleague who used to work in the company.

In the end, licensing is a nebulous universe and no one would like to put his nose into it aside from teachers with an exotic background and trying to make their way out.

@Smoko


"My main gripe is with the name. I really don't want to put "University of the People" on my resume..."

I agree! And we're probably unanimous about it. ;)

@Immortus

Yeah... You're right. There is no master of education leadership. There is a link with such a title but it points to the people leading the master... Great communication there.

Sorry if the topic has been already discussed. I did searched "University of the People" on the forum before posting...

Many thanks to all for your answers. Having already à master, I see no point of doing this one. I looked for the Spanish one in management but it's on campus.

I plan on doing Teach Now for the certification. Though I have already 10 years of experience, including 2 years in a 2nd tier and one in a premium tier. Ascension in the curriculum would have normally justified my teaching skills but I fear that having changed too often of schools + an exotic (aka an European but non English degree) might require a license reassure employers. (I'm having also a one year break).

If you think about an online cheap leadership training with some solid recognition, please, let me know.

I was thinking about the Harvard Business School Certificate in School Management and Leadership, maybe. I don't want to overload too. The problem is that there is no credit transfer later on.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... L2niEVBqsf

🤔

Dear all,

any feedback regarding this master?
The UotP offers an almost free master around 2300USD based on the philosophy that knowledge should be for all. Many volunteer teachers there. The uni is nationally accredited; I feel it is good enough for abroad.

I cannot find much info about this Master. Maybe you can help?

Based on the lot of reading I did about licenses and other, while I did not get the answer specifically about this license, I believe it is not transferable.

Update 2:
While I kept reading about the issues regarding the DC /Teach Now to QTS, I found that the issue is not new but I would appreciate if anyone knew what is the last update on the conversion policy.

Teach Now tells they can find me an internship in the US. I'm not sure if the state where I do it is important.

LOL, for a 3 months internship, I would appreciate to go where it's sunny. Any recommendation? 😎☀️😂

Update:
As for the Praxis, I found this as a start :)

https://www.testprepreview.com/praxis/p ... e-test.htm
https://www.ets.org/praxis/prepare/materials/5174

Also, can I/should I do the Praxis before enrolling in Teach-Now which is an expensive option?...

Hello,

digging up the topic for two reasons.... ;)

First, thank you for your answers. It was useful! (I always wonder what is your background but it must be interesting)

Secondly, I have a few questions related to the last news I received directly from T-Now:
QTS is not obtainable if we do our practicum out of the US according to a conversation through emails. When I ask if I can do my internship in the US, the lady says she cannot guarantee I could get a QTS. I asked why and wait for the answer.
However, I can still ask here: would it be possible to get the DC license after doing the 5 required Praxis for French and then still request a QTS?

My ITT is a bachelor of general education and sociology. Not a teacher training. Then I got a Master MEEF which was to prepare for Primary school. As you know, I would require a CRPE/CAPES certificate to become certified in my country (competition test + 1 year of internship).
As a French national, should I worry about the level of the 5 demanded Praxis:
-Core Academic Skills for Educators: Reading,
-Core Academic Skills for Educators: Writing
-Core Academic Skills for Educators: Mathematics
-French: World Language
-World Languages Pedagogy

Are there any mock exams somewhere or at least samples of the questionaries so that I can get a clue of what it is actually about?

If I choose later on to do extra Praxis, I could become a counselor (Psychology?) and then also move it to a QTS (if it is still possible)?

Many thanks in advance for your help.

yourwind wrote:
> @Psyguy
>
> Can we use UT AEL credentials to apply QTS or other states credentials?
> Can non US-citizens/residents apply for MA credentials? If so, what we need
> to do is travel to MA to take and pass the exam? What's the pass rate? We
> don't have MEPI to register METL too.
>
> Thanks.

Same question for me.
I just sent an email to the official QTS inquiries and wait for the answer.

Thank you.
This sounds reassuring. I know that the school gets subsidies from the Austrian government but it is an IB school.
Accreditations: IB/CIS/Austrian Ministry of Education

Does it bring any insight regarding the outcome of my issue?

Regards,

Dear all,

I am offered a job in an international school in Austria but I worry for the first time about my teaching qualifications. Indeed, in France, I obtained a Master in Teaching from the university/institution in charge of training our teachers but we have a specificity: we must at the end of it take a competition to obtain either a CAPES or CRPE which are our official teaching certifications. Those certifications are bound to becoming a civil servant.

I didn't make this choice earlier as I did not want to stay in France nor teach there. In addition, I teach French as a second language and no government position nor certification exist for such a position in the country!

What will the Austrian board of Education say about my degree according to your experience or perspective?
What would happen to me and the job offer if I get in trouble? I already mentioned this issue at the early stage of the recruitment process, even before the job offer. I would not like to miss it and get in trouble as well.

Thank you for your help.

Thanks guys for your answers.
In my case, I do not wish to teach in Canada and I will clearly express it to the OCT as I work in Africa. I hope it will help. Core French is the most needed position in Canada as it is a difficult position according to the DTs. ;)

Actually, my ultimate purpose is to obtain a QTS, by equivalence. An OCT certification should do the work quite smoothly!

All the best for 2018,