You are going to have to get their permission no matter what it says in the contract in order to transfer your visa.

When does inclusivity become a political platform that should be avoided? For example, SEARCH sent out an email recently in support of BLM, which I also support. There are others however who are on the All Lives Matter side of the line, so its political now and best left out of the classroom. I would never, for instance, hand a BLM poster in my classroom and again I support their movement.

[quote=GoingMyWay post_id=59413 time=1596738861 user_id=247032]
I'm curious what people do if things are not working out at a new posting (as a teacher or administrator) and you end up leaving between October and Christmas by resigning or pulling a runner and there's no vacancy anywhere elsewhere in the world that you want to accept.
Where do you go?
What do you do in terms of keeping yourself buys until recruiting begins for the following September?
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That JUST happened with me this school year. The discipline in the school was more than my meager classroom management skills could handle so I talked to my principal and we agreed on an end of school year departure. The head of school decided I had to leave at the end of the semester, which was a disaster because I had my family.

The country I was working in has strong labor laws so I was well compensated, no problem there, but the timing of the departure, how it affected my reference list and the hoops I had to jump through to stay on Search really makes me wish I had just muddled through the two years.

My advice, be careful when you discuss leaving with your principal or head of school.

[quote=PsyGuy post_id=59375 time=1596330919 user_id=68047]
If the 20 hrs of cultural PD turns someone off, they probably arent going to handle China well as a whole. I doubt 20 hrs of PD is going to brainwash anyone.

China cares about control, control of coin. Thats why Macau, HK exist as SARs and why Taiwan hasnt been reduced to glass.

China doesnt want to be isolated they just want China global. They ruled the world once (at least their understanding of it), they miss that. China fully understands the concept and nature of human rights, they just dont agree with them.

The current tensions between the USA and China are 50% each Xi Jinping and Trumps accounting.

Its not a tad bit Orwellion, its just Orwellion, full stop. The IB and other western curriculum will adapt, either formally or informally. The IBO doesnt have the spine or the clout to put China to the line over anything, its just too big a market to lose and China wouldnt care if they "lost" the IB.

China does not have the best students and while their coin tends to be on the higher end of the spectrum its not THE best. The students behavior is certainly better than many western regions but thy arent significantly better compared to the rest of Asia as a whole. China has far from the best living conditions, but that could depend on how you define "living conditions". Some ITs have a very narrow definition and some broad definitions move into quality of life and lifestyle factors.

Taiwan is a province of China because China says so, and China has a pretty big gun aimed at Taiwans head. Loud doesnt really factor into it. Hawaii is a US state, what surprises me is how many Americans think you need a passport to visit the island.

We live in interesting times.
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Most of what you say is opinion but you are wrong about Taiwan. Taiwan is a province of China. The PRC is recognized worldwide, which means that there is worldwide acceptance of Taiwan as part of China. Even the States agrees to this. Carter formalized Taiwan’s position 50 years ago.

shadowjack wrote:

>
> Fangpiren - your bank account is mine. Just to let you know, we can talk,
> but your bank account is mine. It belongs to me.
>

What does that mean exactly? I never had trouble repatriating my money back to the States. Also over the years I bought 2 houses in China, sold them both for a good profit and repatriated that money back as well. I guess my point is, my Chinese accounts are empty because my money was all sent back.

I’m confused shadowjack - all these hiring cycles and you are still finding it difficult to repatriate money? Ask any Chinese person to help you out. They will too. They are incredibly cool.

[quote=Heliotrope post_id=59340 time=1595911727 user_id=229797]
@fangpiren is just a troll.
Reading that China supposedly has "the best living conditions" made me chuckle. Were I to have that chuckle outdoors in China, it would have been followed by a cough due to the air pollution, and the chuckle would be recorded by the omnipresent Orwellian surveillance system. Yes, ITs can have a comfortable life in China, but at a price.
And I disliked China's government long before I disliked Trump, as it's very possible (and very logical) to dislike both. China's social credit system, their treatment of the Uyghurs, the way they're dealing with Hong Kong, their behaviour in the South China Sea, and a bunch of other things are all very worrying. Just like a lot of what Trump does is very worrying. Luckily the US still has elections, albeit flawed (voter suppression, etc.) and journalists are still able to write what they want about those in power in the US.
If I were (for example) a history teacher I wouldn't be able to teach it properly in China.
I imagine if China ever were to attack and conquer Taiwan that would take Taiwan of many ITs short lists.
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Of course anyone who enjoys living in China must be a troll or so heliotrope’s sloppy logic goes. I won’t waste my time on the majority of what helioslop said because it’s a waste of time. I will reiterate that Taiwan is part of China so words like attack and conquer have no meaning here. It would be like Washington attacking and conquering Hawaii. Mainland, Taiwan and Hong Kong are all one and the same country.

No wonder China feels it has to educate foreign teachers! Here are already two on this thread that don’t know Taiwan is an island province of China.

sciteach wrote:
> Gotta love how politics always gets pulled into most threads these days.
>
> It's pretty obvious that governments when under pressure become more
> desperate.
>
> I'm also aware of the large want of international teachers where jobs often
> outmatch supply when it comes to quality teachers. There are just that many
> schools in China as China is just that large.
>
> I've spoken to many admin at the more foreign expat schools in China before
> COVID-19 and they were having a lot of trouble getting quality staff along
> with new students. The hollowing out expat families and overseas companies
> slowly moving to cheaper countries of production forced this. COVID-19 will
> only speed up this progress. I'm expecting to see a hollowing out of the
> 2nd & 3rd Tier true international schools in China and the only medium
> term job safety will be in Chinese schools.
>
> The real question to ask is how will international curriculum such as the
> IB - specifically looking at TOK. The changes of "not upsetting a
> government" is a tad bit orwellion and can potentially stop some DP
> classes from covering certain topics which will affect the IB's bottom
> line.
>
> I've worked in democracies, dictatorships and some in between and what
> scares me the most is this belief in "purity" when it comes with
> these potential changes in China. You can only see and cover the Chinese
> mindset - which is Marxist/Leninist with Chinese characteristics. Reading
> Tombstone by Yang Jisheng gives a great outlook on this.
>
> The comment of some people about anti-trumpers moving to China sadly is
> true. The US has major problems - but China has their own. It really gets
> back to purity. The anti-trumpers believe only their own world view and no
> other is allowed. It sounds a bit like how the more hard core "Trump
> fans" or "50 cent army" would think. Obey my dictates or
> else......
>
> The main aim of this thread was to:
>
> (1) See if it was true - there is a lot on conjecture on reporting at the
> moment.
> (2) Look at the medium to long term impact (for qualified teachers) and the
> industry in general
>
> On the comment about having the best pay in the world and best students.
> The answers is a hard no. Before COVID-19 a lot of the better international
> schools in China were significantly raising their wages as they were
> struggling to hire quality staff due to China starting to be seen as a
> hardship post. Chinese students can be good - but other students beat them
> hands down. Think Singaporean, Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese. I guess let the
> flame wars begin.....

I’m impressed with how many words it takes you to say nothing.
By the way, I guess you missed the memo that Taiwan is actually part of China.

Many of the same China bashing losers on this thread with their same anti-China ilk and wrong headed arguments. I usually just chuckle and ignore but the latest phrase really irritates me: rising tensions between the States and China.

Just so we are clear, these rising tensions are Trumps effort to distract his muddle headed base of tRumpsters from his failed presidency. It’s as simple as that. The current tensions between the States and China are 100% on the USA and once Trump is gone, relations will return to normal and many of those now bashing China will once again be lining up for that Z visa because China offers the best pay, the best students and the best living conditions for ITs than anywhere else in the world.

fine dude wrote:
> Before this post loses direction, just want to say everyone here has
> different priorities. Some go to China to break into admin/an AP/IB school
> or save big for retirement or even for finding a spouse/cultural reasons.
> China is now the new Middle East from a financial perspective. There is
> another group that wants to make good money, grow their career with
> considerable personal freedom where their actions aren't constantly
> scrutinised. There is also a third group that places a far greater premium
> on travel experiences than just building a nest egg or career. To each
> his/her own.

I agree that there are tremendous and varied opportunities in China for international school teachers. I just never felt that I was being scrutinized or that my personal freedoms were somehow limited. I’ve had nothing but a hoot in China over the years and I doubt the Chinese authorities have been scrutinizing me that close. If they been, I’d have been booted out years ago.

vandsmith wrote:
>
> well the hypocrisy is noted but does that really mean no one can speak up on
> injustice or fear tactics or authoritarianism if their home country is also guilty of
> those things? you're more than welcome to read the riot act (wtf?) to chinese cops,
> though i'm not certain why they'd care. in addition, not really sure why you'd want
> to run the risk of being arrested.
>

My point was, there was no risk of me being arrested because in China, unlike in America, you can confront the police in an assesrtive manner without fear of a beating and an arrest. Of course you need to be civilized but that doesn’t mean you can’t be firm, somewhat and assertive. The context was getting my family visa renewed and both my wife and I let them know that it was taking too long; my Chinese wife was definitely louder than me. In America, she would have been body slammed and arrested.

> again, not sure why this becomes a measuring contest of abuses against citizens?
> there is no question china has created these detention/re-education centers for this
> minority of people and religion. "very humane"? as opposed to what? even
> if they're posh, upscale mansions they are still trying to eradicate and bring in
> line a whole group of people, banning the growth of long beards and demolishing
> mosques. it's completely okay to recognize the problems in one's home country and in
> another country.
>

The reason I initially posted and created a moniker especially for The Human was because he compared the detention centers to Nazi concentration camps, with forced sterilization and organs being harvested. Patently untrue or at least unproven. Are the centers humane? Compared to where we are housing thousands of children that were separated from their parents then yes, very humane.

> anyways, i'd question who is/was the real trumpster here since it seems like you are
> making excuses for china. every state makes their own way with their own actions,
> but those actions are open to scrutiny - even on a tiny forum like this.
>
> v.

What excuses am I making for China? These endless accusations made over and over again of forced sterilizations, organ harvesting, forced marriages and all without proof is exactly how Trump and his ilk operate.

Now is the time for all good men to clean their own backyard, as Nicholas Cage once said. Cleanup your own mess before pointing fingers at China. That’s not an apology for China, that’s just good manners.

[quote=BM12 post_id=59294 time=1595225154 user_id=27036]
Fangpiren, are you really saying those camps are detention centers? And if they are, then it is fine? So harvesting organs, forced sterilizations, forced marriages and all is perfectly normal?

Also, your whole reply is the best example of whataboutism I have seen in a long time. You are not arguing or refuting any of the points made but just want to point to bad things that might be happening in America? All you are saying is 'look at your own country'. Is that how you usually react to valid points being made?
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Yes I am really saying those camps are detention centers and not concentration camps and I’ve seen no evidence of organs being harvested or forced sterilization or forced marriages. I am refuting those points. I also added that the detention centers in the States holding thousands of children that were separated from their families, a crime by the way, are more like actual concentration camps. Finally I also said that I feel safer in China than in America.

As to “whataboutism” let me rephrase it like this: IF there is a point to be made about human rights in China, then an American is the LAST person that should make it.

[quote=TheHuman post_id=59292 time=1595216826 user_id=250723]
@fangpiren There are millions of Uyghur people in concentration camps in China being tortured, sterilized, and forced to work that would disagree with you. There are millions of people in HK that have suddenly lost their freedom of speech that would also disagree with you. India, and a host of other SEA countries that have recently had their land stolen by China would also disagree. I lived in China for years and just recently returned to the US. While I do miss a lot about China, I do not miss the fear of exit bans or arbitrary arrest. I would never post this while I was still living in China, as I could be arrested. I personally knew people who were exit banned from China through no fault of their own. As a person living in China, you have no choice but to post positive things as you could also be arrested.
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I think we got a tRumpster on board! Like a tRumpster, this fool just makes shit up and gives no thought to what’s he’s saying.

First of all, regarding the Uyghurs, as an American you really do need to keep your mouth shut when the issue of human rights comes up. Our country was founded on 400 years of slavery, oppression, genocide and non-stop war mongering. Americans are literally the last people on Earth that get to call out other countries on human rights violations. Second of all, regarding the Uyghurs, they are not in concentration camps, they are in detention centers and the conditions in those centers, from everything that I have seen, are very humane. Are
you trying to draw similarities between Nazi concentration camps and detention centers? If you are, you would do better to comparing them to America’s detention centers where we still have thousands of children in cages that have been separated from their parents.

Regarding Hong Kong and their lost freedom of speech, again look at your own country. Peaceful protesters were scattered by the presidents security personnel because he wanted to have a photo op at a church. Protesters in Oregon are being snatched off the streets by goons in unmarked cars. Insult a judge in America and you face jail time. Not to mention the 2,000,000 Americans in our for profit prisons who lost the most fundamental act of free speech, the right to vote.

Regarding SEA land grabs - and once again, look to your own country. Our entire homeland was one massive land grab. Who are you to now point a finger at China and accuse them stealing sovereign territory.

Last of all “the fear” you mention - what exactly are you talking about? I walk down dark alleys in China that I wouldn’t dare look down in America. I dare not make eye contact with cops in America for fear of a slap to the head but I have read cops in China the riot act more than once. The Chinese are the most fear-free people I know. They are loud, opinionated and they advocate for themselves as much as any free people I’ve ever met. Maybe this “fear” you have when you are in China has more to do with your xenophobia than anything else.

For myself, I speak my mind wherever I am in China, probably too much so, and I do call them out on their bullshit whenever I see it. It don’t scare me none.

[quote=TheHuman post_id=59281 time=1594998807 user_id=250723]
China is looking a lot like Germany in the 1930's right now. The cold war between China and the USA is heating up fast and there is no telling what China might do next. I would not want to be an American in China (or even a European, since they're often mistaken for Americans).
[/quote]

China is looking like 1930s Germany? What an idiotic and totally false comment.
I’m an American living in China and hands down, I’d rather be here.
God knows, I might be snatched up off a street in America by some unindentifiable goons in an unmarked black SUV.
Now that’s more like 1930s Germany in my opinion.