Why would you need a credential to teach higher level courses at your IS? Is it just a preference or policy of the IS?

Most of the program youve looked at would either only work in the state you obtained them from or in the case of an OS (QTS, iQTS, etc.) would very likely require you to meet some kind of subject matter competency and thats just the start for various mutual recognition pathways. None of the US based asst. based pathways have mutual recognition options.

Few if any of the options youve described will provide you a foundation of meds/peds/asst that will provide a greater degree of confidence or even much int he way of pro.edu competence. Theres a reason the favored pathway held by recruiters and leadership in IE is a traditional academic pathway.

In direct reply to your inquiry:

1) While you would only get a small bump at your current IS, there are ISs that would pay you nothing more in additional coin, what they do is make you eligible for a visa and thus eligible for better comp at higher paying ISs.

2) Kind of. Klassroom is HI home grown ACP (skills based pathway), whereas Teach Away is ARs, they are the same program under different banners.
Another Option would be Teach Ready in FL. The practical difference is that field experience requirement is only 5 days with Teach Ready. Its a moot point though as all the programs require a mentor during that particular module and Teach Ready still requires field observations, and you have a classroom appointment, so regardless someone will need to mentor for you and you dont believe anyone would do it without some coin involved. Teach Now, Klassroom, Teach Away are about USD$1500 less (about USD$5500) than Teach Now.

3) ABC is a cheaper option (about USD$2K). Different regions use different terminology. The WI Provisional (Tier II) credential is an Entry grade credential in WI. Its a regular type pro.edu (Entry grade) credential. Its not a permit/permitted type of credential, in WI those would be classified as Tier I credentials as these have limitations and stipulations. USD$2K is a very competitive amount of coin for an EPP/ITT program.

4) Yes, you could and of your options the MA Provisional credential requires the least amount of resources (a few days and a few hundred USD), and is the most viable option. It checks the pro.edu credential 'legal' box, and would effectively be a lifetime credential without the need for PD.

5) In brief, CT allows a candidate to substitute experience in place of an EPP/ITT program (CA does as well for example, but its requirements are more rigid and specific than CTs). You would likely get the Initial (Entry grade) credential, though the Provisional credential is a possible option. Of the two the Initial credential is valid for 10 years and the Provisional valid for 8. Regardless you would not be able to transition any of the credentials working in IE, so whichever one you are issued you will be stuck with. There isnt any practical difference between them within the context of IE.

6) At one time much like DC HI had very basic mutual recognition requirements and they were one of the States working with Teach Now. They severed that relationship and now partner with Klassroom as an ACP EPP/ITT provider. There isnt a viable pathway to Hi credentialing without completing an EPP/ITT program.

7) iQTs is usually less expensive than a PGCEi program. Essentially an iQTS program gets you iQTS which you can then obtain QTS with. Alone it usually provides fewer or no academic credits than a PGCEi program, which generally is worth a year of graduate level academic credits (the same as a PGCE whether Academic or as part of an ITT program). PGCEi program can include iQTS as well and typically cost more.
It depends on the program but there are PGCEi and Academic PGCE programs that include neither iQTS nor QTS and have no field experience requirement at all.
Its much easier to accomplish if your IS uses the UK NC but what is essential is your classroom utilizes the UK NC. You should understand that the UK NC just as the US NC, is a statement of objectives and less a prescription of meds/peds/asst. As long as you can align your lessons and practice with the UK NC it can be accomplished.
The UK NC isnt much different from the US NC, theres some alignment and scope and sequence differences, but especially at Secondary its hitting the schemes of work bullet points. The List of Literary Works will differ but there will be some overlap (The Bard is an easy one).
Another option is AO (Assessment Only) its a route directly to QTS based on a portfolio that includes observations. Its about £3K and has some other requirements (mainly for you, that you have taught at two institutions.)
Yet another option is completing one of the Sunderland PGCEs and applying for RT (Registered Teacher) status (Professional grade) credential in HK. It is on the high end in terms of cost in coin.

8) It is possible to get a AR Subject Matter Expert Certificate (Permit) this pathway requires no EPP/ITT program but its more a permit credential than a regular credential. The ability for mutual recognition through MS for a regular credential no long exists as MS recently changed the regulations that now require evidence of completing an EPP/ITT program which isnt part of the AR Subject Matter Expert pathway. It could still happen that an applicant could slip through the cracks. Even if you couldnt though the AR Subject Matter Expert Certificate still gives you a credential and has very low requirements, primary among them that it doesnt require pro. edu testing (immediately) or an EPP/ITT program. Within two years however you would have to complete the required subject matter pro.edu. exams and the ethics course (there is an online option).
The AR Subject Matter Expert Certificate fills the gap between completing the MA pro. edu exam requirements and processing. Though really the gap is marginal at best (and longer at worse) as AR requires a fingerprint CRB and MA does not. You have to undertake pro.edu exams for either option (as AR doesnt accept OS foreign IS work experience) and if outside AR you have to undergo paper based fingerprinting whereas many (including the Communication Literacy and English Literature) of the MA MTEL exams can be taken remotely online (in home) which could likely be done faster (there is a one week window per month depending on which of the exam you are taking) and with less inconvenience than the CRB process.

9) Not anymore (as of 2023). You need academic preparation in pro.edu. You can not currently submit a degree in X subject and a statement of Y years in a classroom and receive a Norwegian regular type pro.edu. credential.

Well No, Teach Now, Teach Ready, Klassroom, many of the iQTs and QTS AO, as well as HK and the ABC (WI, Tier II) provide regular pro.edu credentials of Entry grade or better. The term "Provisional" varies a lot.

Within IE credentials dont typically factor into the salary equation in terms of gradation between bands or steps, etc. You either have one where if appointed places you somewhere on the salary scale or you dont and so your application is not considerable. In the rare cases that it is its typically a single band or stipend (or deduction) for being credentialed or not. The gradation youre thinking of is more typical for what you see in DE (such as in the US).

UPe does have a very affordable M.Ed program. In the UK Leeds has an MA.Ed for under £10K. Portsmouth has an M.Res for under £8K (and an MA or MS for under £9K). Derby has an MA.Ed for under £9K, and Buckingham a MA.Ed for under £4K (with a M.Ed in Ed.Ld for £5500) all Online/DL.

There are private and for-profit Unis that would accept an M.Ed from UPe, but most of them such as Capella would cost over USD$30 for a doctorate. Buckinghams Ed.D would cost about £16K.
UPe is in the process of getting WASC accreditation. As it enrolls vast numbers of Edu. students its also getting graduates out there and youre seeing more and more of them, such that they will percolate into various doctoral programs and at USD$4K its very competitive in costs.
Its possible in the UK to do a D.Phil or Research Ph.D by publication. This is where you do a major research paper, book, exhibition/project all on your own, get it published in a peer reviewed journal of sufficient caliber or otherwise accepted for publication/dissemination. You then submit as part of a portfolio along with a commentary (usually between 5000 and 10000 words) with other exhibits in the portfolio. If accepted you then undertake an oral defense (viva voce). All that done you then apply to the Uni for conferral of the degree. Cost is usually around £5K if its accepted. It would take you several years to complete. A year at a minimum to do the research, a year to write, 6 months from submission to publication, 6 months at least for the Uni review and evaluation process, and the oral defense can be scheduled within a month or so. You could trim some of that time if your subject matter utilized archival rather than experimental data and you were very efficient at writing and editing. 15 months is possible.

@Thames Pirate

Yes more blah, blah and youre wrong.

More non-sense TPF. Its not that simple, putting words together is simple, going to the moon is simple, all you have to do is go through space.

Yes they are related. You need a visa if you dont have a right to residency, you have to live there to work there. Its a concept of proximity that I know your lack of vocabulary struggles with.

Bavaria is not super tricky any more than the rest of Germany is. @Thames Pirate may find Bavaria more difficult but thats just @Thames Pirate.

Yes, walking an application through the process is different than doing it yourself, happy to hear you agree with me, finally.

Yes there are two types of edus, ISs and DSs, ISs are independent/private, and DSs are maintained/public. In between there are trust ISs/DSs that are a hybrid of the two.

No, not different.

Yes you would need to sell the IS on immersion if you were teaching in an IS that delivered its curriculum in German but had an exception for ESOL and would be willing to appoint an IT who only spoke English. It would still be a hassle for the IS.

Applicants must meet the requirements of the position the IS/DS has established whether they are their own policies or mandated by rule or regulation.

No they are using visa correctly. They nee to get the LW a visa.

No, Organizations, do not get to set there own immigration policy. This is just more TPF non-sense.

It could be a Candidate IS/DS and not listed on the IB website yet.


@Alchemeister

Yes, its a thing.

If you dont have a right of residency you will need a visa and you must meet the visa department for the the applicable ministry (Labor, Immigration, etc.). This is separate process from what an MOE requires for a credential. This is how it works everywhere, Germany or otherwise.

As I wrote previously, Germany has rather rigid requirements what in comes to subject adjacent degrees. Germany goes by what is inscribed on the degree/qualification scroll. As I wrote previously, foreign credentials arent as valuable in Germany. Like most of the IE world outside of the US. Credentials generally fill the requirement of pro.edu training and competency, and tend to be generic rather than subject specific. In general, applicants need to meet the pro.edu requirement, which a credential does, regardless of its subject matter (though age range may be an issue) and then need to meet subject matter competence, which is often accomplished by possession of a specific qualification or range of qualifications. Germany has a very limited range of qualifications per subject area.
Credentials with specific subject areas generally dont meet the requirements in demonstrating single subject competence. So a credential in maths is no more qualifying to teach match than a credential in social studies, economics, or, physics is. An IT with a degree qualification in math and a credential in business is far more acceptable for a maths appointment were it the inverse (a maths appointment with a credential in maths, and a degree qualification in business).

Per your example, a business degree usually would not be accepted to meet the requirements of a a maths appointment. A degree inscribed in the subject of " Business -" for example may be acceptable. But if all the degree is inscribed with includes such subject titles as: "Business Administration", "General Business", "Business", or "Business.. Management/Marketing/Human Resources/Supply Chain Management, etc." than its not. Even highly maths adjacent fields such as "Economics" are likely to be denied (though its happened before).

This is just more TPF nonsense. Getting you the visa is the primary issue. The issue of credentials and what pathways are available for mutual recognition of credentials is not very relevant at this stage. If its an IS (independent/private) then they dont really have to contend with the mutual recognition process (though they may choose to), but they still have to get you a visa and meet the requirements for that ministry. If its a DS or a Trust IS and they do have to be successful in the mutual recognition process, than FIRST issue is still being able to get you a visa by meeting those requirements and then SECOND to that is investigating the mutual recognition pathways.

The German terms for IS/DS, etc, all vary by nation and region, Germany isnt any different. Youre going down the rabbit hole into @Thames Pirate wonderland of TPF non-sense. Of course you need to meet visa requirements, if you dont have a right to residency. They are more important than mutual recognition of credentials and are the priority everywhere. Germany is no different from China, India, France, Italy, UK, AUS, CAN, US, JP, SG, TW, HK, the NE or EE, etc. The primary issue is can the IS/DS get you a visa. Whether its a State Department, a Foreign Office, or Ministry of Immigration/Labor, the MOE doesnt make immigration/visa decisions, thats bunk. In TPF wonderland those OS ministries/offices/departments would all be subservient to organizations and business because in TPF wonderland "all you need is a contract". No national immigration/labor policy, regulations, statutes, rules, procedures, standards, oversight, even purview would matter because "all you need is a contract". Its bunk TPF non-sense. Organizations and businesses dont dictate immigration or labor policy.

While its very possible they could be lying to you, why would they? They arent going to be working with you, they dont have a need to save face, they could much more easily say "we are exploring other candidates" or "have moved forward with other candidates". Why pass on and pass it off as a visa issue, they owe you nothing?

In Germany the Ministry responsible would be the Federal Foreign Office, but they largely delegate the OS process to their embassies and consulates. So find out what embassy/consulate service the region you would be applying from and send them an email or call them and ask what would be required to secure a skilled workers visa as a grade/subject matter edu.

Options:

THE GOOD

Relocate to Germany now. Its not all you need is a contract, but by being local youd be applying directly to the local ministry office for your visa which may have a much easier time if an IS is walking your application through the process than through an OS embassy/consulate. In addition youre already there and a much more viable candidate. The big fear a leader/IS has with a new OS hire is they wont get on the plane.
As an alternative, an IS may be more amendable to getting your visa changed under an appointment you would be qualified for and just assigning you to maths.

THE BAD

You could add a credential in whatever your degree qualification is in and pursue appointments in that field.

THE UGLY

You could do a second major/degree in maths. Its July you could be done by this time 2025, with degree in hand if you went full time and only needed 30-36 hr. credits. You could potentially get CLEP credit for College Maths, Algebra, Pre-Calculus , and Calculus through testing alone, thats 12 hrs, spread the rest out over 2 semesters, maybe a summer semester and thats a very doable work load, assuming you know what youre doing and your courses are the skill-drill type where you just have to do proof sets and exams, of which the vast majority of UG/1stD online programs are. It wouldnt help you now but next year would be very doable.
SNHU has an online degree in maths, they also have their own assessment program (up to 12 credits), you transfer in your current Bachelors/1st degree (90 credits), pass all the credit exams leaving you with 18 credits (6 courses) would be just under USD$6K.

Thats my inclination

Yes once again more TPF non-sense.

Yes, you do, what your describing is your classic @Thames Pirate TPF thinking that a tourist visa/landing permit is some how a work visa. Its not, and German ISs and DSs have labor regulations that make your "you just need a contract" non-sense.

They arent unrelated, you need both of them to live and work as a pro.edu. in Germany.

Different regions vary considerably. Bavaria might be some degree of impossible for you and less so for others. All of Germany in general is rather rigid in accepting subject adjacent degrees.

Utter bunk, again, more TPF. There isnt a meaningful difference. Either a DS/IS needs to follow regulations, it doesnt, or it chooses to.

Having an IS walk the application through the process is simpler and far more likely to be successful, regardless of being in Bavaria or another region. Everyone has limits. Water is also wet.

Again, Germany in general is rather rigid in what subject matter degrees they will accept and have very little flexability in subject adjacent degrees.

Yes, there is youd have to sell the IS/DS on the immersion angle to get them to offer you an appointment and move forward with the mutual recognition process.

You need one if the employer wants one.

@Alchemeister

I get why you would want to undertake the process in advance if you dont have an EU passport, and need an appointment to sponsor a visa. While its possible to do so OS, its going to be a long term exercise in frustration and futility. An absent applicant who isnt there to push and doesnt have a right to work just isnt a priority, an will just get rejected as a matter of clearing the application. Youre also not likely to receive a different outcome, as written previously Germany as a whole tends to be rather rigid in regards to subject adjacent degrees.

There isnt a state MOE thats particularly easier than another, not one thats going to have a more flexible acceptance of a subject adjacent degree. Germany is a lot like CAN in this regard while the provinces (German states) are separate they all have a model that doesnt have much room for interpretation, you need one of X degrees to qualify and there just isnt room for meaningful interpretation. Even if you were to slip through a crack, mutual recognition isnt at the national but the regional level so your credential from Region A doesnt automatically get you recognition in any other region.

Just like the rest of IE, Germany has 1st, 2nd, 3rd tier ISs, the best route forward is finding a bottom third tier DS/IS that will sponsor a visa for you and have them walk your application through the process, which as I wrote earlier will handle the entire process but its mostly getting supporting documents accepted.
You should be aware youre going to need a substantial degree of German language proficiency for this route unless your position is in ESOL and you sell them on the immersion approach, even then a lot of work is going to be in German and its not a positive selling point if everyone has to switch to English to handle the one expat.

@SIBBSIBB

I assume you are no longer at this IS?

@Thames Pirate

Standard TPF. Surrender on all claims, no knowledge, and resort to name calling. Blank paper in a binder, and repping its something.

@kfssbjj identifies a crucial point, while there are ways to cycle foreign income into SS, IE in general doesnt provide the social retirement programs youd find in even the most rudimentary aspects of DE.

@Thames Pirate

Id state the same but Id get better responses from a bot than yours have been. Bots can maintain a semblance of linear thought.

You dont own words. Youre taking what youre doing and using it as an accusation, why should I run what you write through a thesaurus. I know your vocabulary is challenged but there isnt anything special, or niche about the language your using, or being provided to you.
I respond and address these various items because you bring them up, its called replying.

Yes it is comical.

i dont owe you anything, youre not a proctor, or leader, or administrator. Youve been challenged in the entirety of this topic and youve demonstrated that you know nothing beyond a few German words.

Exactly what I was thinking, your ego just cant handle being wrong.

@Thames Pirate

Is your German translator going to beat up my German translator?
You dont know anything about horses. Youve demonstrated you dont know anything about the German credentialing system for edu. If you have questions you dont need permission, Ive demonstrated in this topic alone that you dont know what youre talking about. You convoluted and twisted non-sense.

@Thames Pirate

Yes, again, see above.

@Thames Pirate

I do so enjoy these lite conversations of ours.

Yes, ISs follow rules they dont have to. Some to avoid headaches down the line and future problems, some for marketing ("all of our faculty meet the requirements of the MOE for the credentialing of teachers"), some for other reasons.

No, not specifically relevant, ministries are ministries.

The MSA is not a full leaving certificate, its a final one but its an intermediate leaving certificate.

Your summarization ability isnt bad.

No its not always capitalized, heres an example "abitur", see not capitalized.

Nothing mythical about the Japanese equestrian school posting, just wasnt interested in you.
You otherwise describe your MO pretty well. You claim to know something than make some absurdly non-sense statement and then retreat to over-simplification or some other kindergarten level cognitive device (did you know kindergarten is a German noun and look its not capitalized).

I already used only data matters, and its not like you can do research when what you fabricate in your mind is so much easier.

No telling you how much coin you add to your accounts is another topic not this one.

I provided a very direct response to the LW. I dont need to add new information, when the old information was right to begin with. This isnt a compensatory system where some quantity of weak data somehow equates to strong data.

The only fraud and liar is @Thames Pirate, and your countless instances of TPF.

It has been, not that youd know how to care for a horse. I responded with an accurate response to the LW, and you got to troll your convoluted non-sense out. Youre pathological narcissism sufficiently nourished, along with your German dictionary, provided a hearty amount of laughter.

@Thames Pirate

Yeah again, because it was right then and is right now. Im getting the sense you understand this gas lighting concept a lot better than you let on.

It quite literally is the same process. Youre confusing the number and types of documents as being a different processes.

Yes, the BMBF, typo. The BMBF, however provides a model for the states to adopt and is subject to interpretation.

No, I tend to ignore your terminology that isnt relevant.

Which is precisely what I said. You were the one attempting to turn the funding into some sort of attempt to blur the differing categories of schools.

Yes some of them do choose to incorporate MOE practices and policies into their own and they can. Yes they do because rules are easy and avoid ambiguity in the future. Essentially allowing an IS to avoid future headaches. They arent giving up autonomy, they are choosing the easy route until the easy route doesnt work for them anymore, which allows them to bend it on a case by case basis or whenever its found to be unsuitable for them. Thats not giving anything up its exercising autonomy

I do enjoy logic. Its not moving the goal posts. You like to think it is because you dont actually have data to support your position, its easier for you to whine about something being unfair than it is for you to be wrong.

Neither the MSA or ESA is a full leaving certificate its a final leaving certificate thats of intermediate level. Theres still something above it (Arbitur) thats part of secondary edu.

Yes, bureaucracy can be a form of rigidity. Bureaucracy can also be simple.

Happy to hear you agree with my discussion of rigidity, finally.

The old material works so well, given its accuracy.

Did you really just throw down a gauntlet that your German translator can beat up my German translator. (ROTFLOL)

See rigidity above.

Well someone has to finish up the mess you make, expounding is certainly one of the tools in my edu tool box, and Im not writing in German so amt can be in lowercase a or an upside down one ∀ if I want, ∀mt. Is there a German spelling gestapo thats going to stop me.

Happy to hear you agree. Actually not happy, but I have to type less when you agree so theres that.

H∀, I have known of an action plan in multiple contexts as well as deficiency plan also in multiple contexts.
Most people just try to present an idealized lesson without errors or deviations from the blueprint but thats true of all evaluative observations regardless of their location.

The more I write, the more you rewrite what I said because what you think you know, you actually dont. Youre like the tourist who spends a few weeks in Germany seeing the sites and learns a couple words that they now think they know everything or anything. When the encapsulation of your entire knowledge base wouldnt fill a couple pages in a travel guide.

I use LW as reference to Letter Writer meaning the individual who first posted their topic to the forum and use OP (Original Poster) to refer to the first post on the current thread within the topic. Not that I need @Thames Pirate or "The Internets" consent or counsel. I suppose The Internet will be mad at me now, even though everything The Internet claims as its own originated with someone doing something for the first time.

I take my abbreviations seriously and my ego doesnt need approval from others.

Nowhere did the LW nor I, mention or elude to accreditation, this is a hiring/personnel topic. The vast majority of accreditation schemes (including Germany) have exceptions, provisos, addendums that allow an IS or DS to maintain accreditation despite personnel irregularities.

I know what they mean, we differ in positions. Your position is that they have complete autonomy when they arent entirely free of the MOE (the BMBF) and that because the BMBF doesnt so much dictate as they provide model resources that are again easy to implement, and some of these model resources do pertain to credentialing and hiring.

I cant possibly see how. At best accessing documents overseas would be 'AS' easy as being available locally. In no scenario can I see them being easier. Its a matter of proximity and its correlation to accessibility. I could expound on it more (one of my tools in my edu tool box).

Lots of people have EU passports.

No, its so much that sometimes its denied and with such an exhausting level of deficiencies they cant reasonably be overcome.

You listed a number of no-go places as ones with high coin potential (China and the ME in general which includes the UAE). Japan is more a high desire destination (romance location, not because ts romantic but because these locations are over romanticized for their coolness factor). Youre right you wouldnt have a lot of saving potential in TH, but thats mostly BKK, of which the vast majority of ISs are located. There are ISs outside of BKK where the cost of living is lower but those ISs also play less coin.

SG has low taxes but I concur with @sciteach that any saving you make up with on lower taxes will vanish with the absurdly high cost of housing, even for very modest accommodations.

Egypt would probably work out for you in terms of saving potential and cost of living. Jburg and Capetown as well, but there arent many ISs. The ones in Africa that would pay well enough with a low enough cost of living have other factors against them.

The Caribbean is like the other little gems such as Suva the VI (Virgin Islands), etc. in that thee is one IS that that would meet your requirments and that IS being a first/elite tier IS gets a lot of applications.

If youre not opposed to Asia than TW (Taiwan), SK (South Korea) and KL (Malaysia, but mostly Kuala Lumpur) are options with a good coin to costs ratio.

IB ISs will want IB training and that would be the priority in their recruiting. The ones that would train you probably wouldnt meet your requirements. IB workshops arent really worth much, no IB practitioner thinks you know it all or are anywhere close to suitably prepared for IB on the basis of having a workshop certificate. Especially in the PYP, which is almost an alien language compared to the traditional way that primary edus are trained.

You can look at the PASS below if you want a very rough idea of your marketability. The PASS works best when compared to an actual job specification.

As to other comments:

1) 20 years is nothing to raise your nose up to, but when it comes to IB it may work against you. Youve been teaching a certain way for so long that breaking that training and molding it into IB, especially the PYP may be a cause of concern. Since youre essentially a tourist IT, youre not likely to put in the effort to remake yourself into the type of IT the PYP and the IB would require. Youre first year in the PYP is practically a training year and your second year is essentially a transition year since youll be leaving at the end of it.

2) The male primary DT/IT having marketable value is a myth. Male primary ITs isnt a shortage anyone with any coin in the game wants to fix. Which is why it continues to be a shortage.

3) Many ISs even the ones that are non-profit are run like a business.

4) In general the employee to travel ration is 1:2, in that an IS will travel 2 people (this includes the employee) for each FTE employee of the IS. So 1 IT and 1 dependent. Beyond that ITS start pricing themselves out of the profession.

5) I dont put a lot of concern in @sciteach regarding cultural makeup of the student population. Youre childs 4, they will be 5 in their first year with you as an IT putting them either in Reception/Kindergarten or starting year 1 by the time youre leaving they will only be finishing year 1 or year 2. Hardly "older". International or more host national isnt going to make much difference, except that in the host nation IS your child is more likely to begin picking up a second language. Otherwise its just a numeracy and literacy program regardless of what the pupils in the class look like.

6) What it really means is that the more the IS looks like a host nations private/independent DS the more its going to be operated as a local private/independent DS which may cause problems for you.
Though ITs kids are often used used in promotional materials without express consent, its more of a cultural difference that the IS is paying the IT they own the IT and that they were paying this great amount of coin compared to LH that it would of course include using their kids for promotional materials.

7) LON isnt the biggest fair its a big fair but its aligned with the BOS/SF fair and the BKK fair, and the BKK fair still being a super fair (thats two fairs that are scheduled back to back in this case SA and ISS) is the biggest fair.

8) If you wouldnt accept a position at an IS why bother pursuing them. Youre a tourist IT youre going to do this for a couple years and than go back to your HOR, your IE career is going to be one IS. Why spend the time somewhere you dont want to be or doesnt fit your needs.

@expatscot

It sounds like it was composed by a chat bot.