@PsyGuy

Most isn't all, but it's still most, so a lot more ITs start there.

Having the 4 years of experience of your CV significantly increases your chances to get hired by a better school than without that experience, all other things being the same.
It isn't until later in your career that the number of years under your belt begins to become less important to schools, after you've reached 8 or 10 years or so, but a the start, those 4 years are very important. The very rare cases of someone getting hired by a tier 1 straight out of uni doesn't change that.

Yes, at some point you can add it back in, but that will be at least three schools later (schools will likely check your last two schools), by which time those 4 years are less important to get hired anyway. And at those two schools after the one you've ghosted, you will have been lower on the salary scale for all those years, and at some schools that could be $1500+ per year (although $1000 is more likely).

Yes, you can still get hired if you ghost it, but saying that having those 4 years on your CV will not increase your chances of getting hired by a better school is nonsense.

PsyGuy wrote:
> The pig was right.

Either you don't know the story about Cameron and the pig, or you know David very, very, VERY well...

It's been reported already, just waiting for the moderator to take it down.

> Cameron wasnt that bad

That's also what the pig said...

You don't need to be logged in to see that, it's on the public part of the ISS-Schrole website:

Atlanta: December 9-11, 2018
Bangkok: January 4-7, 2019
San Francisco: February 7-10, 2019

So I guess that means no more ISS-Schrole fairs this recruiting season.

I found it on their Facebook page:
info@schrole.com / +61 8 9230 7000

PsyGuy wrote:
> Not every IT starts out at the bottom

No, but most do.


PsyGuy wrote:
> its entirely possible to get a tier 1 appointment with no prior IE experience

But very unlikely, and more likely with 4 years of IE experience.


PsyGuy wrote:
> You ghost them, complete a contract with a positive reference, ... ,and then you put those four years previously ghosted back on your resume

At all my job applications, references from the last two schools were contacted, sometimes from the last three. So you'd have to ghost it longer than that. Also, the recruiter might reference those ghosted 4 years to that school when calling them for the reference, who might tell them they've never heard about those 4 years since you've ghosted these for them. Then you have some explaining to do (not likely but possible).


PsyGuy wrote:
> likely at a better IS than the one the IS is at

Why better? If you ghost your experience, you start from the same position as you did before you got the job at the current school, so likely a school quite similar.


PsyGuy wrote:
> we dont have all the data from the LW.

Indeed we don't.

PsyGuy wrote:
> Im making a conclusion based on data, which
> as you know is from experience, research and reliable and trusted data.
> Thats not really true.

So glad you're finally admitting it...

Another 8 hours is sleep (and I can tell you from experience that you can sleep just as well in a hardship location as you can in desirable location), then there's showering, getting (un)dressed, brushing your teeth, having breakfast, commuting to school, commuting from school, cooking dinner, eating dinner, typing replies on ISR, going to the toilet, etc.

During the week, there's very little time to enjoy the city you're in, apart from the occasional dinner out, and even hardship locations have good restaurants.

Still leaves you with the weekend of course, which is why location is not unimportant to me.

I've lived in both hardship locations and desirable locations. I've never been bored in either.
But I have been less than happy in a bad school, and very happy in good schools.

But this is something we really don't have to agree on. Everybody has their own ranking of priorities. For you location is more important, for me the school is just as important, if not more.

You're only assuming they weren't. They might very well have been hired for those roles, especially the ones that are .5/.5.
Either way, I'm assuming the schools were quite happy to hire someone who can teach more than 1 subject, allowing the school some flexibility when making future schedules.

Of course you find 4 contributors unpersuasive, as they didn't support your argument.

Yes, you start out without references at the start of your career. That's why you usually start at a bad school, because you lack experience, and they have to guess what kind of teacher you will be without references to give them an idea.
So if you choose not to ghost the 4 years experience, you will have those 4 years on your CV, which will get you into a better school, and higher on the pay scale at that school.
All the more reason to make sure you can get good references, or those 4 years won't count for anything when recruiting.

We don't know if it's in the contract, it hasn't been mentioned. The standard contract might state what (flights, moving allowance, etc.) you will have to pay for when breaking contract, without listing the actual amounts. So maybe the OP went to HR to ask what it actual amounts the total adds up to. Also, don't underestimate how many ITs lose track of where their contract is, or will just go to HR rather than going through the contract.
We don't know, only the OP knows.

I agree @Thames Pirate, I was merely responding to PsyGuy saying 'Good school lunch + good uniform + good textbook' is the same as 'Good school + good location + good pay', whereas those last three are what most are looking for, as well as his notion that the quality of a school doesn't matter much, while for a lot it's just as important as location, or more so.

I think with pay, location and the school, @MartElla, is hitting the three most important things most ITs are looking for.

And with ITs spending at least 8 hours per day at school, I definitely would consider the quality of the school just as carefully as location, or even more so. If you've worked at both a very good school and at a very bad one, you know there can be quite a difference.
Of course you can rank it a lot lower –everyone has different priorities–, but it's an important factor for a lot of ITs and for good reason.

Of course it's still possible to get a job without that reference, but your chances will improve vastly if you don't have to ghost the last 4 years or can't produce any references, and instead have a good reference from your current school. But yes, you can always go to a crap school where all you need to show to get a job is a credential, or merely a white face and a pulse. Serious schools want references from your most recent schools, or a very, very good explanation why you can't produce any.

And there can be a penalty for breaking contract. You've signed it, knowing what was in it. As I said, a $11,000 penalty is way too high, but both the IS and the IT should honor the contract. Unless one . doesn't live up to their end, then the other doesn't have to either. There are a few exceptions, for example if a civil war breaks out and your safety is endangered.

There were just 4 replies in just over a day where ITs said there are Econ/Math cross ITs at their schools, so I imagine lots of schools will be quite happy if you're able to teach both and it will give you an edge over candidates who can only teach one or the other.