@Thames Pirate

Yes you did. A DIP Candidate IS cant do is offer or deliver the DIP program, you stated "a candidate school can offer DP [sic] structured classes" They would not be permitted to provide instruction and refer to it with any terms or language relating to the IB or DIP, regardless of what an IT reads and composes for their instruction. The IT could structure courses that utilize inquiry based methods and a pedagogy based on global citizenship. They would not be DIP structured courses and they could not refer to them as such or using the DIP in their terminology.

Youre TPF pattern of non-sense continues. You consistently plagiarize and take credit for the ideas and writings of others.

@Thames Pirate

Yes you did. A DIP Candidate IS cant do is offer or deliver the DIP program, you stated "a candidate school can offer DP [sic] structured classes" They would not be permitted to provide instruction and refer to it with any terms or language relating to the IB or DIP, regardless of what an IT reads and composes for their instruction. The IT could structure courses that utilize inquiry based methods and a pedagogy based on global citizenship. They would not be DIP structured courses and they could not refer to them as such or using the DIP in their terminology.

ISs (Independent/Private) in Germany, in general, may offer whatever curriculum and programs they wish. DSs (Maintained/Public) must offer a German national program, which may be in addition to other alternative programs.

Like all TPF non-sense the position of @Thames Pirate is neither strong enough nor sufficiently supported to withstand debate. You have shown a history of just being wrong and then resorting to ad-hominem attacks when you begin to whine when youre shown to be wrong. In this case your limited language proficiency is not a substitute for actual competence.

@Thames Pirate

An IB DIP candidate IS can offer DIP. They can offer appointments to faculty and staff, they can offer admission to students, they can engage in admissions, marketing, advertising, they can design curriculum, lessons, policies and procedures. They can do a lot in terms of offering the DIP. What they cant do is offer or deliver the program. In this case they could specifically recruit ITs/DTs and this is permissible.

Your statement regarding the IB DIP is wholly in error. IB ISs offering the DIP may not offer the DIP program in any variation. See Article 8.1.b |Rules for IB candidate schools|. The IS may not deliver "DP [sic] structured classes". Students are not eligible for the I.B., nor may they receive DPCR (as they are not eligible to sit for exams).
I stated that 'a Candidate IB IS could offer DIP', I stated nothing about the DIP program, you stated "a candidate school can offer DP [sic] structured classes", whereas the IB IS offering DIP can not deliver, offer, provide, etc. the DIP program even on a trial basis.

Thats incorrect, they could offer another SLL curriculum, AP, A*, etc.

Candidate IB ISs/DSs are not included when using the public IB search tool. In this case the IS could be a Candidate IS/DS.

I never stated your use of [sic] was in error. As I described in a previous post the use of [sic] has a number of uses including identifying the use of colloquialism and anachronism. DIP is an anachronism and DP is a colloquialism.

More TPF non-sense.

@shaolefen1

In direct reply to your inquiries:

1) Of the three you addressed, the credentials have about the same degree of marketability. Whats really of value is the ABC EPP/ITT program. Thats something you an put on your resume, its a marketable line item. A recruiter/leader understands where your training and preparation come from. Without, your credential just manifested out of nothing, and thats because it did.

This is true in terms of reciprocity as well, an EPP/ITT program goes farther than a credential alone.

The MA Provisional (Entry grade) credential is about USD$350, and that cost point there really isnt much thats cheaper in terms of a regular type credential. The AZ Subject Matter Expert credential would be about USD$150.

The new CT Initial (Entry grade) credential is a 10 year credential, and will have some renewal/extension options. The provisional credential is being phased out, and youll never meet the requirements to transition to the Professional (Professional grade) credential.

It is unlikely that experience in an OS IS thats unaccredited would be acceptable.

2) A credential has marketability and not insubstantial marketability either. None of them though are going to add much to your practice. Thats not how pro.edu training works. They give you at best, a way of looking at a classroom as a problem in need of a solution and gives you a tool box (you may have heard reference to a "teacher toolbox") of tools (meds/peds/asst); pedagogy to frame the problem, methodology to execute your plan, and assessment to figure out if it worked. You have to provide the plan, and training programs dont give you that, thats something that snaps into your mind when you walk in the classroom door.

Your weaknesses as you describe them are common among early career edus. What you describe is the challenge of many in similar positions. There are four inflection points seen in an edus growth: years 1, 2, 4, and 8. In the first two years edus need develop proficiency in two skill sets: classroom management and instructional planning. Which they do first is sometimes a matter of necessity, sometimes dictated by the context of the job, the organization, the edu, leadership, etc. Sometimes the edu gets a choice, sometimes they pick the easier one, sometimes the harder one, etc.. It usually isnt until around the fourth year that an edu has created efficiencies in their tasking that makes the job easier.

The Uni. Buckingham MA.Ed (Evidence-based Practice) is £4K takes 15 months and requires only a bachelors/first degree and working in a IS/DS.
https://www.buckingham.ac.uk/courses/po ... lly-online

3) MS use to have two reciprocity credentials a 2 year and a 5 year. The main difference was the 5 year credential was for those who met all requirements and the 2 year credential for those who had deficiencies, allowing them time to complete them. MS has now gotten rid of the 2 year credential, and generalize the requirements as those equivalent to a MS "Standard". The AZ Subject Expert credential isnt equivalent to a MS "Standard" (despite AZ using the term Standard in its title). What MS also did was create their own "Expert Citizen" credential, and its very different from the AZ one (its VERY much a Permit type credential).
BUT you could try. If youre successful youd want to transition the MS Credential and park it somewhere like IL, CA, WA, NJ, etc. so to avoid the PD and renewal issue. Of the available options IL is the least costly (USD$50 per 5 year renewal cycle).

4) The AZ CRB (IVP) fingerprints can be collected either electronically if in AZ or using a paper finger print card.
https://www.azdps.gov/services/public-s ... rance-card

5) No certification is required to teach AP by the College Board. LEAs may have requirements regarding assignment eligibility. The only such requirements are for the Research and the Seminar courses (part of the AP Diploma Capstone program). The requirements are a PD workshop (APSI) and some online training. Nothing regarding credential requirements.

There are a number of Permit type credentials and regular adjacent credential from Independent/Private IS credentials to Charter DS credentials.

Why jump though so many hoops? There isnt a hierarchy of credential strength in IE. Higher level credentials are a conversation point during an interview. Its something to brag about for 60 seconds. They dont equate to more coin, and they arent going to fool anyone. Without an EPP/ITT program it doesnt matter what they say. Recruiters and leaders care about an ITs academic preparation, their background, what they document that they bring to the classroom and the bargaining table, not what words appear on a piece of paper beyond checking the 'legal pro.edu' box. They will take little more than a blink to realize you got your credential through some pathway that wasnt the traditional/academic pathway.
Whatever credential checks that box. Advanced degrees have more value.

@Thames Pirate

Your statement regarding the IB DIP is wholly in error. IB ISs offering the DIP may not offer the DIP program in any variation. See Article 8.1.b |Rules for IB candidate schools|. The IS may not deliver "DP [sic] structured classes". Students are not eligible for the I.B., nor may they receive DPCR (as they are not eligible to sit for exams).
I stated that 'a Candidate IB IS could offer DIP', I stated nothing about the DIP program, you stated "a candidate school can offer DP [sic] structured classes", whereas the IB IS offering DIP can not deliver, offer, provide, etc. the DIP program even on a trial basis. Its still an IB DIP IS as it still needs the construct (both physically and conceptually) to complete its IB authorization tasks and requirements.
An IB DIP candidate IS can offer DIP. They can offer appointments to faculty and staff, they can offer admission to students, they can engage in admissions, marketing, advertising, they can design curriculum, lessons, policies and procedures. They can do a lot in terms of offering the DIP. What they cant do is offer or deliver the program.
They would not be permitted to provide instruction and refer to it with any terms or language relating to the IB or DIP, regardless of what an IT reads and composes for their instruction. The IT could structure courses that utilize inquiry based methods and a pedagogy based on global citizenship.

Both ISs (Independent/Private) and DSs (Maintained/Public) can be IB ISs. Candidate IB ISs/DSs are not included when using the public IB search tool. In this case the IS could be a Candidate IS/DS.

I used the term [sic] second and used it correctly.

More TPF non-sense.

@Thames Pirate

An IB DIP candidate IS can offer DIP. They can offer appointments to faculty and staff, they can offer admission to students, they can engage in admissions, marketing, advertising, they can design curriculum, lessons, policies and procedures. They can do a lot in terms of offering the DIP. What they cant do is offer or deliver the program.
They would not be permitted to provide instruction and refer to it with any terms or language relating to the IB or DIP, regardless of what an IT reads and composes for their instruction. The IT could structure courses that utilize inquiry based methods and a pedagogy based on global citizenship.

[sic] is short form for the Latin term "sic erat scriptum" and translates as "thus had it been written", "sic" by itself translates as "thus" in Latin. It is a writing convention often used to indicate a word that has been said spelled incorrectly in the custom language of the writer/editor, a word or term stated in context, to indicate the spelling is correct as found in the source material, and as said in copy. While its more common use is to indicate a a scribing error and not in transcription, it is also used less commonly to indicate the use of a colloquialism or anachronism the writer used in composing the text.

I only post from experience or reliable and trusted sources.

Germany has a rather rigid position on subject adjacent degrees, and foreign credentials arent as valuable. Degrees must align specifically with the subject appointed to, whereas credentials can be more general and generic (the requirement being that they are age appropriate for the appointment, but even then are more flexible than what is required for degrees). Thus credentials are less valuable.

ITs without a right of residency must meet various requirements to obtain a visa. This is a separate process from the mutual recognition process of pro.edu credentials. The requirements are more involved than requiring only a mere contract. This process is designated to the Federal Foreign Office, but delegates these functions to the OS embassies and consulates.
Institutions do not set immigration policy, but are subordinate to the Foreign Ministry rules and regulations which are more substantial than the singular requirement of a contract.

German ISs (Private/Independent) are exempt from much MOE regulation and generally may determine what ITs are acceptable to appointment of faculty as long as these requirements meet the minimum immigration requirements for the appropriate visa. DSs (Public/Maintained)must comply with all rules and regulations for the appointment of faculty. Trust ISs are hybrid of the two whereas the IS receives portion of public funding but is required to comply with various portions of MOE regulation. In regards to professional development for faculty appointments there isnt significant differences between a Trust IS and a DS.

@Thames Pirate

I stated that 'a Candidate IB IS could offer DIP', I stated nothing about the DIP program, you stated "a candidate school can offer DP [sic] structured classes", whereas the IB IS offering DIP can not deliver, offer, provide, etc. the DIP program even on a trial basis. Its still an IB DIP IS as it still needs the construct (both physically and conceptually) to complete its IB authorization tasks and requirements.

Germany has a rather rigid position on subject adjacent degrees, and foreign credentials arent as valuable. Degrees must align specifically with the subject appointed to, whereas credentials can be more general and generic (the requirement being that they are age appropriate for the appointment, but even then are more flexible than what is required for degrees). Thus credentials are less valuable.

ITs without a right of residency must meet various requirements to obtain a visa. This is a separate process from the mutual recognition process of pro.edu credentials. The requirements are more involved than requiring only a mere contract. This process is designated to the Federal Foreign Office, but delegates these functions to the OS embassies and consulates.
Institutions do not set immigration policy, but are subordinate to the Foreign Ministry rules and regulations which are more substantial than the singular requirement of a contract.

German ISs (Private/Independent) are exempt from much MOE regulation and generally may determine what ITs are acceptable to appointment of faculty as long as these requirements meet the minimum immigration requirements for the appropriate visa. DSs (Public/Maintained)must comply with all rules and regulations for the appointment of faculty. Trust ISs are hybrid of the two whereas the IS receives portion of public funding but is required to comply with various portions of MOE regulation. In regards to professional development for faculty appointments there isnt significant differences between a Trust IS and a DS.

@Alchemeister

I find little persuasive evidence that the IS in this instance would go to such extent to maintain a ruse. While its possible they are misrepresenting themselves (as @Thames Pirate indicated, and which I concur with, in that this isnt likely new for them and they know what the requirements are), why in response and cooperation continue such a fabrication? They dont have to save face or preserve a relationship when theres nothing offensive or insulting in using a generic "were pursuing other candidates". Further, if they really were interested in you as an IT in general, keeping you in mind and your application on file is not well served by engaging in such a subterfuge.

The reality is that Germany is rather rigid on what subject matter, degrees must be inscribed. Subject adjacent degrees are rarely acceptable. Whereas credentials fulfill a general pro.edu requirement, specific subject matter credentials do not substitute for lack of a specific subject matter degree qualification.

@Thames Pirate

Your statement regarding the IB DIP is wholly in error. IB ISs offering the DIP may not offer the DIP program in any variation. See Article 8.1.b |Rules for IB candidate schools|. The IS may not deliver "DP [sic] structured classes". Students are not eligible for the I.B., nor may they receive DPCR (as they are not eligible to sit for exams).

Germany has a rather rigid position on subject adjacent degrees, and foreign credentials arent as valuable. Degrees must align specifically with the subject appointed to, whereas credentials can be more general and generic (the requirement being that they are age appropriate for the appointment, but even then are more flexible than what is required for degrees). Thus credentials are less valuable.

ITs without a right of residency must meet various requirements to obtain a visa. This is a separate process from the mutual recognition process of pro.edu credentials. The requirements are more involved than requiring only a mere contract. This process is designated to the Federal Foreign Office, but delegates these functions to the OS embassies and consulates.
Institutions do not set immigration policy, but are subordinate to the Foreign Ministry rules and regulations which are more substantial than the singular requirement of a contract.

German ISs (Private/Independent) are exempt from much MOE regulation and generally may determine what ITs are acceptable to appointment of faculty as long as these requirements meet the minimum immigration requirements for the appropriate visa. DSs (Public/Maintained)must comply with all rules and regulations for the appointment of faculty. Trust ISs are hybrid of the two whereas the IS receives portion of public funding but is required to comply with various portions of MOE regulation. In regards to professional development for faculty appointments there isnt significant differences between a Trust IS and a DS.

@Thames Pirate

Thames Pirate: You only need a contract.
Germany, the EUR, this particular IS, the LW, the LWs evidence, everyone else: No you dont you need to qualify for a visa which is more than "only a contract.

Applicants are denied for far more than your listed reasons, they are denied (ineligible in this case) for not having a degree in the teaching subject.

EU=European Union
EUR=Europe (as in the land mass encompassing the European continent)
€ or EUR€=Euro Currency
Yes, I do know what Im talking about.

No, each region is separate, but for this particular issue they arent different.

Gaslighting is wonderful for you.

Every country has there own language terms for various terms, Germany isnt special.
Trust IS is certainly a thing and a thing in Germany.

The claims @Thames Pirate about not using or hearing particular terminology says more about you than it does Germany.

Youd certainly know next level gaslighting.

There is no theoretical anything. An IS could make an exception for a non-host speaking IT for something such as English immersion.

No, youre in TPF wonderland, if thats a world of perpetual twilight, well I dont have to live there.

Yes, applicants must meet the requirements. An IS with flexibility in their requirements still requires an applicant to comply within the range of the requirements. This is @Thames Pirate not understanding how words work again.

The policy for Americans and foreigners is to meet the requirements of the Federal Foreign Office which for an IT requires more than "only a contract".
No, they could not hire a HS graduate.
No, the IS/DS does not dictae the standard for immigration and visa issuance. This is just more TPF non-sense.

No, Germany is pretty rigid in terms of its requirements.

No, a Candidate IB IS could offer DIP. So its possible there could be a Candidate IB IS offering DIP and not be on the list.

Yes, including Americans.

I wrote in my OP "Germany is rather rigid on degrees and credentials dont have a lot of value."
Not a lot of value is no value. See above.

Yes, your gaslighting is certainly at an advance level.

No, The visa requirements are more than "a contract" insurance, and minimum remuneration.

Im not in any way convinced you know what irony is, nor does this meet the criteria of irony (there isnt a numerous or amusing effect). What your looking for is sarcasm, isnt that ironic, dont you think.

Yes, the IS would very likely (I cant imagine them not) walking the application through the process.

No, they get you a visa by meeting the requirements which include among others having an appropriate degree, an acceptable credential (which may be entirely the degree), a contract, etc.

No, this hasnt been established, youre claims are not self authenticating. Your confusing established with assumption. This is @Thames Pirate not knowing how words work.

No, you need more than just a contract. The contract alone is not sufficient. This is TPF non-sense.

The IS could be lying. They are being very responsive and cooperative to maintain a fabrication.
Either the LW needs more than a contract, there are other complicating factors that are still more than a contract (such as not having an appropriate subject matter degree), or the IS is misrepresenting the reason (which I dont buy, why use a fabrication that could, if it was true, be wholly disproved).

Yes, necessarily. Ive known of ITs (many actually) at ISs in Germany and elsewhere that teach and taught without a credential. I know of only a few rare cases where an IT (including in Germany) was teaching without a degree, but in those cases the IT had extensive professional experience in the field.

Again, regardless of IS or DS if you dont have a right of residency you must meet the visa requirements established by the applicable ministry/office/department and in Germany this is the Federal Foreign office, which delegates these duties to its OS consulates and embassies, and again these requirements are more than having a contract and are not dictated by an individual organization.

Yes, I agree, its not complex. Germany is relatively rigid in what degrees it will accept and the requirements for a visa are more than just a contract. Its very simple, but again, you dont know what complex or simple mean.

Weve had an abundance of evidence, provided by the LW themselves that do not support @Thames Pirate, but again you dont know what evidence is, because the use of German terminology is not evidence.

I dont think enough about you to generate a feeling or "a thing".

Only data matters.

@Thames Pirate

Yes, because the original was right before and is right now.

Yes, you did, you have stated multiple times "you only need a contract and its that simple". Its not that simple you need a visa and in Germany (amongst the rest of the EUR) those with contracts do have visas denied.

No, Bavaria really isnt different. Your perception that Bavaria is different, is different. I wouldnt take your word for anything, more so that you dont seem to know how words work.

No, its because they are different. Though I would concede based on prior claims your experience with dead horses would be greater than mine. Ive been stating for quite sometime that the processes are different, but thats your tendency to plagiarize.

No, its not. Again though your simply daft to the realities. Germany isnt special every country has their own language terms for various ISs and DSs.

Happy to hear you agree, it makes for less typing.

ISs can suddenly change anything. Yes, they could exactly do that. No an IS may require an IT to have a native language competency an English language competency or a combination of the two, and ISs do make exceptions.

Happy to hear you agree.

No, it doesnt. This is the seminal non-sense of your TPF wonderland. Neither ISs nor DSs nor the German MOE set immigration policy in regards to obtaining a visa. No an IS canot hire anyone they want.

No, Organizations, do not get to set there own immigration policy. This is just more TPF non-sense.

Thats not true they could be a Candidate IB IS and offer DIP.

No, an IS can ot hire anyone they want. Your all you need is a a contract is TPF non-sense. Applicants with contracts are denied visas.

Happy to hear you agree with my original post that Germany is rather rigid on degrees and credentials dont have a lot of value.

Yes, do see my posts above, but this is hindered by your lack of reading fluency and comprehension.

The visa requirements are more than having a contract.

Its possible they could do this all the time, but you wouldnt know. Then again youre probably confusing a Magic 8 Ball with a Crystal Ball.
My own counsel will I keep on what I would write. It could be true, but they have been rather responsiveness on more than the initial explanation on the reason, rational, and explanation. Its a superfluous amount of effort for a fabrication.

Because the "you just need a contract" is TPF non-sense. There are a greater degree of requirements for hiring a foreign IT through an OS embassy/consulate than there are for a floor cleaner.

Why would you need a credential to teach higher level courses at your IS? Is it just a preference or policy of the IS?

Most of the program youve looked at would either only work in the state you obtained them from or in the case of an OS (QTS, iQTS, etc.) would very likely require you to meet some kind of subject matter competency and thats just the start for various mutual recognition pathways. None of the US based asst. based pathways have mutual recognition options.

Few if any of the options youve described will provide you a foundation of meds/peds/asst that will provide a greater degree of confidence or even much int he way of pro.edu competence. Theres a reason the favored pathway held by recruiters and leadership in IE is a traditional academic pathway.

In direct reply to your inquiry:

1) While you would only get a small bump at your current IS, there are ISs that would pay you nothing more in additional coin, what they do is make you eligible for a visa and thus eligible for better comp at higher paying ISs.

2) Kind of. Klassroom is HI home grown ACP (skills based pathway), whereas Teach Away is ARs, they are the same program under different banners.
Another Option would be Teach Ready in FL. The practical difference is that field experience requirement is only 5 days with Teach Ready. Its a moot point though as all the programs require a mentor during that particular module and Teach Ready still requires field observations, and you have a classroom appointment, so regardless someone will need to mentor for you and you dont believe anyone would do it without some coin involved. Teach Now, Klassroom, Teach Away are about USD$1500 less (about USD$5500) than Teach Now.

3) ABC is a cheaper option (about USD$2K). Different regions use different terminology. The WI Provisional (Tier II) credential is an Entry grade credential in WI. Its a regular type pro.edu (Entry grade) credential. Its not a permit/permitted type of credential, in WI those would be classified as Tier I credentials as these have limitations and stipulations. USD$2K is a very competitive amount of coin for an EPP/ITT program.

4) Yes, you could and of your options the MA Provisional credential requires the least amount of resources (a few days and a few hundred USD), and is the most viable option. It checks the pro.edu credential 'legal' box, and would effectively be a lifetime credential without the need for PD.

5) In brief, CT allows a candidate to substitute experience in place of an EPP/ITT program (CA does as well for example, but its requirements are more rigid and specific than CTs). You would likely get the Initial (Entry grade) credential, though the Provisional credential is a possible option. Of the two the Initial credential is valid for 10 years and the Provisional valid for 8. Regardless you would not be able to transition any of the credentials working in IE, so whichever one you are issued you will be stuck with. There isnt any practical difference between them within the context of IE.

6) At one time much like DC HI had very basic mutual recognition requirements and they were one of the States working with Teach Now. They severed that relationship and now partner with Klassroom as an ACP EPP/ITT provider. There isnt a viable pathway to Hi credentialing without completing an EPP/ITT program.

7) iQTs is usually less expensive than a PGCEi program. Essentially an iQTS program gets you iQTS which you can then obtain QTS with. Alone it usually provides fewer or no academic credits than a PGCEi program, which generally is worth a year of graduate level academic credits (the same as a PGCE whether Academic or as part of an ITT program). PGCEi program can include iQTS as well and typically cost more.
It depends on the program but there are PGCEi and Academic PGCE programs that include neither iQTS nor QTS and have no field experience requirement at all.
Its much easier to accomplish if your IS uses the UK NC but what is essential is your classroom utilizes the UK NC. You should understand that the UK NC just as the US NC, is a statement of objectives and less a prescription of meds/peds/asst. As long as you can align your lessons and practice with the UK NC it can be accomplished.
The UK NC isnt much different from the US NC, theres some alignment and scope and sequence differences, but especially at Secondary its hitting the schemes of work bullet points. The List of Literary Works will differ but there will be some overlap (The Bard is an easy one).
Another option is AO (Assessment Only) its a route directly to QTS based on a portfolio that includes observations. Its about £3K and has some other requirements (mainly for you, that you have taught at two institutions.)
Yet another option is completing one of the Sunderland PGCEs and applying for RT (Registered Teacher) status (Professional grade) credential in HK. It is on the high end in terms of cost in coin.

8) It is possible to get a AR Subject Matter Expert Certificate (Permit) this pathway requires no EPP/ITT program but its more a permit credential than a regular credential. The ability for mutual recognition through MS for a regular credential no long exists as MS recently changed the regulations that now require evidence of completing an EPP/ITT program which isnt part of the AR Subject Matter Expert pathway. It could still happen that an applicant could slip through the cracks. Even if you couldnt though the AR Subject Matter Expert Certificate still gives you a credential and has very low requirements, primary among them that it doesnt require pro. edu testing (immediately) or an EPP/ITT program. Within two years however you would have to complete the required subject matter pro.edu. exams and the ethics course (there is an online option).
The AR Subject Matter Expert Certificate fills the gap between completing the MA pro. edu exam requirements and processing. Though really the gap is marginal at best (and longer at worse) as AR requires a fingerprint CRB and MA does not. You have to undertake pro.edu exams for either option (as AR doesnt accept OS foreign IS work experience) and if outside AR you have to undergo paper based fingerprinting whereas many (including the Communication Literacy and English Literature) of the MA MTEL exams can be taken remotely online (in home) which could likely be done faster (there is a one week window per month depending on which of the exam you are taking) and with less inconvenience than the CRB process.

9) Not anymore (as of 2023). You need academic preparation in pro.edu. You can not currently submit a degree in X subject and a statement of Y years in a classroom and receive a Norwegian regular type pro.edu. credential.

Well No, Teach Now, Teach Ready, Klassroom, many of the iQTs and QTS AO, as well as HK and the ABC (WI, Tier II) provide regular pro.edu credentials of Entry grade or better. The term "Provisional" varies a lot.

Within IE credentials dont typically factor into the salary equation in terms of gradation between bands or steps, etc. You either have one where if appointed places you somewhere on the salary scale or you dont and so your application is not considerable. In the rare cases that it is its typically a single band or stipend (or deduction) for being credentialed or not. The gradation youre thinking of is more typical for what you see in DE (such as in the US).

UPe does have a very affordable M.Ed program. In the UK Leeds has an MA.Ed for under £10K. Portsmouth has an M.Res for under £8K (and an MA or MS for under £9K). Derby has an MA.Ed for under £9K, and Buckingham a MA.Ed for under £4K (with a M.Ed in Ed.Ld for £5500) all Online/DL.

There are private and for-profit Unis that would accept an M.Ed from UPe, but most of them such as Capella would cost over USD$30 for a doctorate. Buckinghams Ed.D would cost about £16K.
UPe is in the process of getting WASC accreditation. As it enrolls vast numbers of Edu. students its also getting graduates out there and youre seeing more and more of them, such that they will percolate into various doctoral programs and at USD$4K its very competitive in costs.
Its possible in the UK to do a D.Phil or Research Ph.D by publication. This is where you do a major research paper, book, exhibition/project all on your own, get it published in a peer reviewed journal of sufficient caliber or otherwise accepted for publication/dissemination. You then submit as part of a portfolio along with a commentary (usually between 5000 and 10000 words) with other exhibits in the portfolio. If accepted you then undertake an oral defense (viva voce). All that done you then apply to the Uni for conferral of the degree. Cost is usually around £5K if its accepted. It would take you several years to complete. A year at a minimum to do the research, a year to write, 6 months from submission to publication, 6 months at least for the Uni review and evaluation process, and the oral defense can be scheduled within a month or so. You could trim some of that time if your subject matter utilized archival rather than experimental data and you were very efficient at writing and editing. 15 months is possible.

@Thames Pirate

Yes more blah, blah and youre wrong.

More non-sense TPF. Its not that simple, putting words together is simple, going to the moon is simple, all you have to do is go through space.

Yes they are related. You need a visa if you dont have a right to residency, you have to live there to work there. Its a concept of proximity that I know your lack of vocabulary struggles with.

Bavaria is not super tricky any more than the rest of Germany is. @Thames Pirate may find Bavaria more difficult but thats just @Thames Pirate.

Yes, walking an application through the process is different than doing it yourself, happy to hear you agree with me, finally.

Yes there are two types of edus, ISs and DSs, ISs are independent/private, and DSs are maintained/public. In between there are trust ISs/DSs that are a hybrid of the two.

No, not different.

Yes you would need to sell the IS on immersion if you were teaching in an IS that delivered its curriculum in German but had an exception for ESOL and would be willing to appoint an IT who only spoke English. It would still be a hassle for the IS.

Applicants must meet the requirements of the position the IS/DS has established whether they are their own policies or mandated by rule or regulation.

No they are using visa correctly. They nee to get the LW a visa.

No, Organizations, do not get to set there own immigration policy. This is just more TPF non-sense.

It could be a Candidate IS/DS and not listed on the IB website yet.


@Alchemeister

Yes, its a thing.

If you dont have a right of residency you will need a visa and you must meet the visa department for the the applicable ministry (Labor, Immigration, etc.). This is separate process from what an MOE requires for a credential. This is how it works everywhere, Germany or otherwise.

As I wrote previously, Germany has rather rigid requirements what in comes to subject adjacent degrees. Germany goes by what is inscribed on the degree/qualification scroll. As I wrote previously, foreign credentials arent as valuable in Germany. Like most of the IE world outside of the US. Credentials generally fill the requirement of pro.edu training and competency, and tend to be generic rather than subject specific. In general, applicants need to meet the pro.edu requirement, which a credential does, regardless of its subject matter (though age range may be an issue) and then need to meet subject matter competence, which is often accomplished by possession of a specific qualification or range of qualifications. Germany has a very limited range of qualifications per subject area.
Credentials with specific subject areas generally dont meet the requirements in demonstrating single subject competence. So a credential in maths is no more qualifying to teach match than a credential in social studies, economics, or, physics is. An IT with a degree qualification in math and a credential in business is far more acceptable for a maths appointment were it the inverse (a maths appointment with a credential in maths, and a degree qualification in business).

Per your example, a business degree usually would not be accepted to meet the requirements of a a maths appointment. A degree inscribed in the subject of " Business -" for example may be acceptable. But if all the degree is inscribed with includes such subject titles as: "Business Administration", "General Business", "Business", or "Business.. Management/Marketing/Human Resources/Supply Chain Management, etc." than its not. Even highly maths adjacent fields such as "Economics" are likely to be denied (though its happened before).

This is just more TPF nonsense. Getting you the visa is the primary issue. The issue of credentials and what pathways are available for mutual recognition of credentials is not very relevant at this stage. If its an IS (independent/private) then they dont really have to contend with the mutual recognition process (though they may choose to), but they still have to get you a visa and meet the requirements for that ministry. If its a DS or a Trust IS and they do have to be successful in the mutual recognition process, than FIRST issue is still being able to get you a visa by meeting those requirements and then SECOND to that is investigating the mutual recognition pathways.

The German terms for IS/DS, etc, all vary by nation and region, Germany isnt any different. Youre going down the rabbit hole into @Thames Pirate wonderland of TPF non-sense. Of course you need to meet visa requirements, if you dont have a right to residency. They are more important than mutual recognition of credentials and are the priority everywhere. Germany is no different from China, India, France, Italy, UK, AUS, CAN, US, JP, SG, TW, HK, the NE or EE, etc. The primary issue is can the IS/DS get you a visa. Whether its a State Department, a Foreign Office, or Ministry of Immigration/Labor, the MOE doesnt make immigration/visa decisions, thats bunk. In TPF wonderland those OS ministries/offices/departments would all be subservient to organizations and business because in TPF wonderland "all you need is a contract". No national immigration/labor policy, regulations, statutes, rules, procedures, standards, oversight, even purview would matter because "all you need is a contract". Its bunk TPF non-sense. Organizations and businesses dont dictate immigration or labor policy.

While its very possible they could be lying to you, why would they? They arent going to be working with you, they dont have a need to save face, they could much more easily say "we are exploring other candidates" or "have moved forward with other candidates". Why pass on and pass it off as a visa issue, they owe you nothing?

In Germany the Ministry responsible would be the Federal Foreign Office, but they largely delegate the OS process to their embassies and consulates. So find out what embassy/consulate service the region you would be applying from and send them an email or call them and ask what would be required to secure a skilled workers visa as a grade/subject matter edu.

Options:

THE GOOD

Relocate to Germany now. Its not all you need is a contract, but by being local youd be applying directly to the local ministry office for your visa which may have a much easier time if an IS is walking your application through the process than through an OS embassy/consulate. In addition youre already there and a much more viable candidate. The big fear a leader/IS has with a new OS hire is they wont get on the plane.
As an alternative, an IS may be more amendable to getting your visa changed under an appointment you would be qualified for and just assigning you to maths.

THE BAD

You could add a credential in whatever your degree qualification is in and pursue appointments in that field.

THE UGLY

You could do a second major/degree in maths. Its July you could be done by this time 2025, with degree in hand if you went full time and only needed 30-36 hr. credits. You could potentially get CLEP credit for College Maths, Algebra, Pre-Calculus , and Calculus through testing alone, thats 12 hrs, spread the rest out over 2 semesters, maybe a summer semester and thats a very doable work load, assuming you know what youre doing and your courses are the skill-drill type where you just have to do proof sets and exams, of which the vast majority of UG/1stD online programs are. It wouldnt help you now but next year would be very doable.
SNHU has an online degree in maths, they also have their own assessment program (up to 12 credits), you transfer in your current Bachelors/1st degree (90 credits), pass all the credit exams leaving you with 18 credits (6 courses) would be just under USD$6K.

Thats my inclination