WI utilizes ABCTE as an EPP/ITT program. When you complete ABCTE and apply with the WI DOE they will issue a Tier II provisional credential, this is an Entry grade credential, this is renewable every 3 years, PD is not required.
In WI there are four "tiers" of credentials. Tier I credentials are permits. Tier II-IV are regular credentials. Tier II credentials are Entry grade credentials, Tier III are Standard grade credentials, and Tier IV is the Advanced grade credential.
First, with this pathway you wouldnt feasibly be able to transition to the Standard (Tier III) credential unless you relocate to WI and teach there.
Second, without a field experience component you can document, this credential has low portability among other states. You wouldnt be able to meet the requirements for QTS through reciprocity, for example. While ABCTE is an EPP/ITT provider, they are more a study provider for an assessment based pathway.
Its not that you cant accomplish these things with ABCTE, you can, the question is why compared to alternatives. The MA Provisional credential is also an Entry grade credential and would only require a few hundred USD in testing and application fees as opposed to the USD$2K ABCTE charges. This would be an effective lifetime credential that not only doesnt require PD but doesnt even need to be renewed. The MA Provisional also allows for a broader selection of content areas (the WI ABCTE program only allows Elementary, ELA/Literature, Science, Maths, Social Studies, and SPED/SEN/LD).
The only scenario where the ABCTE and WI pathway is advantageous is in the case of SPED/SEN/LD. Assessment based pathways in SPED/SEN/LD are very difficult to find and when they are, such as with the MA pathway it would be an exhaustive list of requirements.
MA does have an additional 10hr requirement working with students with disabilities in the classroom for Elementary. Which you could fill on the cheap through Coursera, or through an IB workshop on the pricey side.
In the case of the LW with both bachelors/first degrees and a Masters in edu, nothing ABCTE provides itself is either of no value or over priced. Further, MA has a rather easy pathway to an executive leadership credential.
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- Wed Jun 04, 2025 11:31 pm
- Forum: Forum 2. Ask Recruiting Questions, Share Information. What's on Your Mind?
- Topic: American Board Certification
- Replies: 4
- Views: 40327
- Wed Jun 04, 2025 11:47 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: Recommendation on Licensure
- Replies: 3
- Views: 21501
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Primary is a very saturated field both in IE and DE. The main issue is going to be youre not a traditional DT fresh out of Uni, so how do you get a job to get the experience you need to get a job. What you need to do is figure out your value and marketability.
I would start by looking at the MA Provisional (Standard grade) credential. Its a handful of pro. edu exams, and your B.Ed will likely meet the other requirements. This would effectively be a lifetime credential. This will allow you to meet the credential requirements with the lowest amount of coin and resources. Since the other options are just going to repeat your B.Ed program and cost a lot more. This lets you shop your resume and find out if anyone wants you on the cheap side.
I would start by looking at the MA Provisional (Standard grade) credential. Its a handful of pro. edu exams, and your B.Ed will likely meet the other requirements. This would effectively be a lifetime credential. This will allow you to meet the credential requirements with the lowest amount of coin and resources. Since the other options are just going to repeat your B.Ed program and cost a lot more. This lets you shop your resume and find out if anyone wants you on the cheap side.
- Wed Jun 04, 2025 11:31 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: IB vs The Rest
- Replies: 41
- Views: 262298
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@tomare
The HK DSE is better. While the strength of the content is debatable when you get to remediation level of some subjects (looking at you maths) its not by any definition weak. The HK DSE curriculum doesnt waste time on the fluff you find in the IB DIP (such as CAS, etc.). The HK curriculum and DSE assessment produces better 'knowers' than the IB DIP.
The HK DSE is better. While the strength of the content is debatable when you get to remediation level of some subjects (looking at you maths) its not by any definition weak. The HK DSE curriculum doesnt waste time on the fluff you find in the IB DIP (such as CAS, etc.). The HK curriculum and DSE assessment produces better 'knowers' than the IB DIP.
- Wed Jun 04, 2025 11:03 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: Kids smoking marijuana on campus
- Replies: 6
- Views: 18696
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@Heliotrope
Heck yes, I would. Better their neck in a noose than mine. If youre dumb enough to be talking about something in public that might get you executed because its a CRIME than heres your Darwin award.
You dont know that. You dont know if anyone else has observed or has been observing you, anymore than these kids dont think anyone was observing them, you just think youre safe, which isnt the same thing as actually being safe. You think you CYA, you dont know youre CYA.
Yes it would, because now someone knows the LW knows, the students. The only way for a group of conspirators to keep a secret is if all but one of them is dead. These students could panic and rat the IT out. All they have to do is go to leadership and file a report they saw the IT smoking something on campus that had a funny smell which they looked up on line as what could be cannabis. Whats the IT going to do? Plead innocence, admit they violated policy by not reporting the incident to leadership. The students will have already disposed of any physical evidence, the vapes will disappear, and the IT doesnt know anything else. The kids have parents who will certainly side with their kids, the IT will be lucky if they are just dismissed.
Youre confusing victims with perpetrators. The students are violating the law, they arent victims theyre criminals.
Heck yes, I would. Better their neck in a noose than mine. If youre dumb enough to be talking about something in public that might get you executed because its a CRIME than heres your Darwin award.
You dont know that. You dont know if anyone else has observed or has been observing you, anymore than these kids dont think anyone was observing them, you just think youre safe, which isnt the same thing as actually being safe. You think you CYA, you dont know youre CYA.
Yes it would, because now someone knows the LW knows, the students. The only way for a group of conspirators to keep a secret is if all but one of them is dead. These students could panic and rat the IT out. All they have to do is go to leadership and file a report they saw the IT smoking something on campus that had a funny smell which they looked up on line as what could be cannabis. Whats the IT going to do? Plead innocence, admit they violated policy by not reporting the incident to leadership. The students will have already disposed of any physical evidence, the vapes will disappear, and the IT doesnt know anything else. The kids have parents who will certainly side with their kids, the IT will be lucky if they are just dismissed.
Youre confusing victims with perpetrators. The students are violating the law, they arent victims theyre criminals.
- Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:38 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: Accepting a Job at any school just to get your foot in the door.
- Replies: 4
- Views: 1935
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Sure, lots of those experiences, but there are just as many if not more that didnt and dont work out so well.
First, You essentially got lucky. Trusting to hope isnt the best strategy in planning ones well being. It could have just as easily gone the other way. Then youd be stuck in a meh (if not worse) IS in a location youre not enthusiastic about. At least when youre somewhere you want to be even if the job is bad, you have that life you want when the job is done.
Second, you dont know if LOS wouldnt have been better if not equally as fulfilling. Youre happy with the experience you had, but its difficult to test alternative hypothesis in these cases.
Third, you let recruiting event (fair) dynamics do their trick on you. Theres FAR too much framing that goes on at fairs that warps ITs perspectives that this is the big show, this is what you put all the time, coin and resources into it, and continuing the job search afterwards is the consolation prize for losers. Youre invested so much into the trip that you fool yourself into thinking that something is winning, and if you leave with something its a success (it is for your associate). You settled for an offer you wouldnt have accepted because you didnt want to leave the fair empty handed which in your mind would have meant you "lost" making you a loser. Recruiting events arent competitions though, despite how much work goes into them to make you think they are. They want you to think your "value"as an IT and as a professional is vested in how well you do at the recruiting event, by how many offers you get and which offer you accept. BUT there are no trophies, no medals, no awards, its just offers and YOUR goals alone, not anyone elses, is what matters. Fairs are just one part of the timeline in that goal. They arent the culmination, summation, or assessment of your job search, there just another activity thats part of the process.
My standard response is the opposite of yours (really the antithesis), lifes too short and two years is too long in a subpar posting to be somewhere you dont want to be. In the case of LOS, if an IT doesnt get an offer there, just go to BKK, find a job teaching ESOL, and keep hitting up ISs that are off circuit until you get the job you want AND where you want to be. Maybe in the few years you want to be there it wont happen but at least you lived that portion of your life where you wanted. Maybe youll make a career out of it, in which case plenty of time to find that dream IS offer AND live the life you wanted.
Your position is that of desperate leadership in hardship regions no one wants to be in, who need to staff their ISs with ITs. Theyre the recruiters/ leadership standing by themselves at their table watching the people walk by and the long snaking line of candidates make their way through the ISs that ITs want to be at. They to are basing their success plan on little more than hope (and a good sales pitch).
First, You essentially got lucky. Trusting to hope isnt the best strategy in planning ones well being. It could have just as easily gone the other way. Then youd be stuck in a meh (if not worse) IS in a location youre not enthusiastic about. At least when youre somewhere you want to be even if the job is bad, you have that life you want when the job is done.
Second, you dont know if LOS wouldnt have been better if not equally as fulfilling. Youre happy with the experience you had, but its difficult to test alternative hypothesis in these cases.
Third, you let recruiting event (fair) dynamics do their trick on you. Theres FAR too much framing that goes on at fairs that warps ITs perspectives that this is the big show, this is what you put all the time, coin and resources into it, and continuing the job search afterwards is the consolation prize for losers. Youre invested so much into the trip that you fool yourself into thinking that something is winning, and if you leave with something its a success (it is for your associate). You settled for an offer you wouldnt have accepted because you didnt want to leave the fair empty handed which in your mind would have meant you "lost" making you a loser. Recruiting events arent competitions though, despite how much work goes into them to make you think they are. They want you to think your "value"as an IT and as a professional is vested in how well you do at the recruiting event, by how many offers you get and which offer you accept. BUT there are no trophies, no medals, no awards, its just offers and YOUR goals alone, not anyone elses, is what matters. Fairs are just one part of the timeline in that goal. They arent the culmination, summation, or assessment of your job search, there just another activity thats part of the process.
My standard response is the opposite of yours (really the antithesis), lifes too short and two years is too long in a subpar posting to be somewhere you dont want to be. In the case of LOS, if an IT doesnt get an offer there, just go to BKK, find a job teaching ESOL, and keep hitting up ISs that are off circuit until you get the job you want AND where you want to be. Maybe in the few years you want to be there it wont happen but at least you lived that portion of your life where you wanted. Maybe youll make a career out of it, in which case plenty of time to find that dream IS offer AND live the life you wanted.
Your position is that of desperate leadership in hardship regions no one wants to be in, who need to staff their ISs with ITs. Theyre the recruiters/ leadership standing by themselves at their table watching the people walk by and the long snaking line of candidates make their way through the ISs that ITs want to be at. They to are basing their success plan on little more than hope (and a good sales pitch).
- Sat May 10, 2025 2:42 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: Kids smoking marijuana on campus
- Replies: 6
- Views: 18696
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I disagree with @Heliotrope , not strongly, because it sounds very reasonable in a sort of made for television way that depicts edus and students. My issue is that this is a crime, and likely in a region with heavy penalties just for drug possession, and that this type of behavior is a violation of the ISs policy somewhere. Not reporting it has serious negative implications for the IT and theres no benefit to the IT for, at the very least not report it to leadership. Assuming they word the report in such away as to not indicate they ignored the behavior in the past. Theres a lot of risk of serious downside consequences and no upside for the IT. @Heliotrope is arguing AGAINST CYA, and an IT should always be thinking and acting towards first CYA.
- Wed May 07, 2025 12:28 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: Kids smoking marijuana on campus
- Replies: 6
- Views: 18696
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Good kids? How? They are violating the regional criminal regulations by engaging in illegal drug possession and use, and if any of them shared with any of the other members in their group, than trafficking and distribution of an illegal substance. As Marc Fogel is minor possession is a "trivial offense"
What you really need to figure out is if you have any mandate to report and if that mandate is a legal one or a policy one. A policy one you can probably talk your way around, with some strategic planning "No sir, this is the first time I witnessed these students engaging in this behavior and I can only describe the smell upon investigating as what has been described to me as what cannabis smells like". If its a legal issue, then drop a dime on them, their behavior was their decision not yours. Its relatively simple to inform your IS leadership through a burner email account, and you can copy the Horseman in the same email. That should get your IS moving on taking definitive action. What you dont want to do is put yourself in any kind of position where you could be an accessory either by action or inaction, depending on the reporting requirements and situation in your location and/or policy. You dont know what is going to happen, but you dont want this to come crashing down on these kids and then have them point a finger at you and say you just told them to go off campus, or worse they turn it around on you and use it to apply leverage on you. They could claim you dont really know what they were smoking, and that you were just guessing; but if you have an obligation or mandate to report and you did nothing, and knowingly failed to report, then just push go on your exit plan, its not going to get better. These students could use that to curry favor with you, good kids do that to.
If you dont have a problem with it though, why bother to post about it here? Shrug, move on, you never saw a thing, and get on with your life. For someone claiming to not have a problem, youre actions are lacking congruence with your claims. If its not a problem, why make it a problem? Not for the forum or the contributors, but your brain isnt letting this go for some reason, which suggests a problem.
What you really need to figure out is if you have any mandate to report and if that mandate is a legal one or a policy one. A policy one you can probably talk your way around, with some strategic planning "No sir, this is the first time I witnessed these students engaging in this behavior and I can only describe the smell upon investigating as what has been described to me as what cannabis smells like". If its a legal issue, then drop a dime on them, their behavior was their decision not yours. Its relatively simple to inform your IS leadership through a burner email account, and you can copy the Horseman in the same email. That should get your IS moving on taking definitive action. What you dont want to do is put yourself in any kind of position where you could be an accessory either by action or inaction, depending on the reporting requirements and situation in your location and/or policy. You dont know what is going to happen, but you dont want this to come crashing down on these kids and then have them point a finger at you and say you just told them to go off campus, or worse they turn it around on you and use it to apply leverage on you. They could claim you dont really know what they were smoking, and that you were just guessing; but if you have an obligation or mandate to report and you did nothing, and knowingly failed to report, then just push go on your exit plan, its not going to get better. These students could use that to curry favor with you, good kids do that to.
If you dont have a problem with it though, why bother to post about it here? Shrug, move on, you never saw a thing, and get on with your life. For someone claiming to not have a problem, youre actions are lacking congruence with your claims. If its not a problem, why make it a problem? Not for the forum or the contributors, but your brain isnt letting this go for some reason, which suggests a problem.
- Wed May 07, 2025 12:04 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: Any experience sharing/ advice?
- Replies: 3
- Views: 11739
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Its normal for some ISs, more so BSs. There was a time not that long ago where if you had an absence (just one, or more than one) you were deemed a poor choice in UK DSs/ISs and a lot of leadership with that mentality is still around. They really want you there every single day, regardless of what that means to you or your health, and dont even think, much less whisper 'mental health day'. That will bin your resume so fast it might catch fire.
Strictly speaking, from a biological position, without knowing the disease, if you contracted it at one time you might have a higher incidence of being a carrier, and in a student population thats susceptible, it might be a risk the IS doesnt want to take. It could also be their insurance carrier, or a regulatory preclusion. China still has some issues with Tb, and thats before getting to the issue of HIV in a lot of places.
You basically have three choices:
1) You can disclose and hand off whatever decision making control you had to the IS. They could be fine about it now, or less concerned, only to find out for some reason the IS wants to dismiss you and they resurrect it as a means to terminate your contract. Assuming they just dont ghost you.
2) You can obfuscate it, and not disclose, but be weary of where your doing this, as some regions have very poor medical and health privacy laws. You'd be surprises just how little is protected, and how little recourse there is for a violation. The negative of course is that any false or misleading or misinformation (regardless of its irrelevancy) is in most cases all an IS needs to dismiss you for cause.
3) Move on to another IS. If you dont like what an IS is asking, or how they are asking, just hit the delete button/swipe left and move on to the next IS.
Strictly speaking, from a biological position, without knowing the disease, if you contracted it at one time you might have a higher incidence of being a carrier, and in a student population thats susceptible, it might be a risk the IS doesnt want to take. It could also be their insurance carrier, or a regulatory preclusion. China still has some issues with Tb, and thats before getting to the issue of HIV in a lot of places.
You basically have three choices:
1) You can disclose and hand off whatever decision making control you had to the IS. They could be fine about it now, or less concerned, only to find out for some reason the IS wants to dismiss you and they resurrect it as a means to terminate your contract. Assuming they just dont ghost you.
2) You can obfuscate it, and not disclose, but be weary of where your doing this, as some regions have very poor medical and health privacy laws. You'd be surprises just how little is protected, and how little recourse there is for a violation. The negative of course is that any false or misleading or misinformation (regardless of its irrelevancy) is in most cases all an IS needs to dismiss you for cause.
3) Move on to another IS. If you dont like what an IS is asking, or how they are asking, just hit the delete button/swipe left and move on to the next IS.
- Fri Apr 18, 2025 12:16 pm
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: ARE ONLINE CERT ACCEPTED IN ASIA???
- Replies: 2
- Views: 14411
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The program you describe is just a pretty certificate by ABCTE, its not a credential and may not (likely wont) meet the needs you are wanting. It wont qualify you for anything more than your current qualifications already do. Its not any better than what you already have. You may as well look into the CTC (Counselor Training Center) certification program offered by PTC (though it will have a much higher cost, about USD$8K).
Many countries accept online teaching qualifications, though online credentials isnt really a thing (except in cases such as a PGCEi or iQTS), there are some that dont accept online qualifications or credentials. As I wrote in your other post, if you want an actual credential than either pursue one of the ABCTE state DOE pathways or look at the MA provisional route if you want fast and inexpensive, otherwise one of the QTS pathways.
Many countries accept online teaching qualifications, though online credentials isnt really a thing (except in cases such as a PGCEi or iQTS), there are some that dont accept online qualifications or credentials. As I wrote in your other post, if you want an actual credential than either pursue one of the ABCTE state DOE pathways or look at the MA provisional route if you want fast and inexpensive, otherwise one of the QTS pathways.
- Fri Apr 18, 2025 12:06 pm
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: TEACHING CERTIFICATE / QUALIFICATION FOR COUNSELOR
- Replies: 1
- Views: 12571
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First, its not a requirement, unless someone says its a requirement. A lot of things in IE arent required, but either facilitate the issuance of a visa or permit by the MOE for pro.edu. appointments. So an IS isnt required to provide evidence of a credential but if it significantly increases the likelihood of a visa or permit being issued than many ISs wont bother to try if they have other available options (other candidates who would be easier).
Second, in IE we have certificates, qualifications, credentials, and licenses. Your degrees are qualifications and your BACP membership licenses you to provide edu support services in the UK (even though its more a credential than a license). What you are asking about and what these ISs have indicated to you would provide value to your application is a credential (or if you appeal to the inverse position, you have a credential but need a license). Regardless, this is a three piece puzzle and your missing one of the pieces.
In US DOEs (the regulating authority) pro.edu credentials are issued for the role of Sch. Coun., this is what these ISs are referring to. It would be very difficult for you to obtain one of these, but if all youre concerned about is obtaining a credential in anything to facilitate the obtainment of a visa that is a lot easier to do. You first need to determine what it is you are looking for. On one end of the continuum you have certificates from ACSI and ABCTE for example that are basically pretty pieces of paper. ABCTE will run about USD$2K and ACSI about USD$100. These arent credentials, they are certificates, but some ISs will accept them and applicants have been successful in the past.
In the middle of the spectrum you have state DOE credentials and while a Sch. Coun. credential would take a lot of work, there are instructional (teacher) credentials. A popular option for non US residents is MA (Massachusetts). They offer a Provisional (Entry grade) credential that can be obtained through an assessment pathway (you take some pro.edu exams and submit an application). This credential would effectively be a lifetime credential and require no PD. It would cost you a few hundred USD and take a couple of months.
On the other end of the spectrum you have EPP/ITT programs that will provide you a credential. The best option (there are many) would be for you to find an online program offering you iQTS, and then transitioning that into QTS and using that for your applications (even as an ECT you wont have to do anything in the way of PD or renewal). Within this sphere, a niche option would be to pursue the Sunderland PGCEi which can be used to obtain HK Registered edu (Standard grade) status, and then use that to apply for QTS, it would cost about £10K (you could also seek certification through the Hong Kong Professional Counseling Association, HKPCA). Another option would be to obtain QTS through the AO route (TES would cost about £3K). This takes about 2-3 months. Yes another option would be to gain QTLS through SET possibly.
Second, in IE we have certificates, qualifications, credentials, and licenses. Your degrees are qualifications and your BACP membership licenses you to provide edu support services in the UK (even though its more a credential than a license). What you are asking about and what these ISs have indicated to you would provide value to your application is a credential (or if you appeal to the inverse position, you have a credential but need a license). Regardless, this is a three piece puzzle and your missing one of the pieces.
In US DOEs (the regulating authority) pro.edu credentials are issued for the role of Sch. Coun., this is what these ISs are referring to. It would be very difficult for you to obtain one of these, but if all youre concerned about is obtaining a credential in anything to facilitate the obtainment of a visa that is a lot easier to do. You first need to determine what it is you are looking for. On one end of the continuum you have certificates from ACSI and ABCTE for example that are basically pretty pieces of paper. ABCTE will run about USD$2K and ACSI about USD$100. These arent credentials, they are certificates, but some ISs will accept them and applicants have been successful in the past.
In the middle of the spectrum you have state DOE credentials and while a Sch. Coun. credential would take a lot of work, there are instructional (teacher) credentials. A popular option for non US residents is MA (Massachusetts). They offer a Provisional (Entry grade) credential that can be obtained through an assessment pathway (you take some pro.edu exams and submit an application). This credential would effectively be a lifetime credential and require no PD. It would cost you a few hundred USD and take a couple of months.
On the other end of the spectrum you have EPP/ITT programs that will provide you a credential. The best option (there are many) would be for you to find an online program offering you iQTS, and then transitioning that into QTS and using that for your applications (even as an ECT you wont have to do anything in the way of PD or renewal). Within this sphere, a niche option would be to pursue the Sunderland PGCEi which can be used to obtain HK Registered edu (Standard grade) status, and then use that to apply for QTS, it would cost about £10K (you could also seek certification through the Hong Kong Professional Counseling Association, HKPCA). Another option would be to obtain QTS through the AO route (TES would cost about £3K). This takes about 2-3 months. Yes another option would be to gain QTLS through SET possibly.
- Tue Mar 11, 2025 1:44 pm
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: If You Had it to Do Over again
- Replies: 1
- Views: 19093
Response
My response isnt entirely fair for two reasons. First, I landed being able to do both as I ended up in DODEA. Second, I doubt I would have lasted for an entire career in DE. I started in IE early in my edu career. I was at the point where it was move into IE or leave edu entirely.
- Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:51 pm
- Forum: Forum 2. Ask Recruiting Questions, Share Information. What's on Your Mind?
- Topic: Lower school fees for their staff's children ?
- Replies: 2
- Views: 54721
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Typically an IS will provide one tuition/fee waiver/place per employee. Historically, a waiver/place was one of the easier factors to negotiate with an IS, especially if the IS was under its enrollment cap (and even more so if it was well under its enrollment cap) but now as the demand for IS places increases faster than the growth of ISs (with almost nil growth in the first tier), ISs are reducing the number of waivers/places in IT contracts electing to either subsidize waiver/places beyond the 1:1 waiver:employee ration, subsidize all waivers (meaning no free waivers/places) or doing away with them altogether. A common subsidized scheme in first waiver/place is free the second at 50% and beyond that the IT pays full tuition/fees. More recently an increasing trend is 1 full/free waiver/place per family with the next at 50%, and beyond that the IT family pays full tuition/fees, meaning that even a teaching couple is only going to get one waiver/place, even though both parent ITs are employees. Budgets are just getting leaner, and ISs that are at their enrollment cap are losing substantial revenue by giving a waiver/place to an ITs kid rather than a paying one. There is an increase in prevalence at upper tier ISs where parents are offering to pay more than the published tuition to get their child a seat/place which only increases the lost revenue when it instead goes to an ITs kid.
Having white/foreign students from ITs kids used to have a side benefit for the IS, as it made there ISs appear more international, especially in marketing and advertising media. Thats not the case anymore, and while a number of ITs still believe its true, its far cheaper and easier to use stock photos or hire amateur actors for the day.
Having white/foreign students from ITs kids used to have a side benefit for the IS, as it made there ISs appear more international, especially in marketing and advertising media. Thats not the case anymore, and while a number of ITs still believe its true, its far cheaper and easier to use stock photos or hire amateur actors for the day.
- Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:17 pm
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: IB Leadership/Educator Courses - Online Delivery? The cheapest?
- Replies: 2
- Views: 24341
Response
If youre looking for just a certificate program:
1) The Harvard Certificate in School Management and Leadership (CSML) is four courses, online, and costs about USD$2K. Its hard to beat that cost in coin for a Global Ivy.
If youre looking for an easy credential than there are two options:
1) DC offers a senior leadership credential, the Administrative Services Credential. You dont need a Masters degree, for the Initial credential you just need two years of appropriate edu experience including as a classroom DT/IT. This credential is valid for 2 years but cant be renewed.
The Standard credential requires a pro.edu exam (SLLA) and 4 years of appropriate edu experience including as a classroom DT/IT. This credential is valid for 4 years and is renewable.
2) MA: Offers an executive leadership credential. The Provisional Superintendent/Assistant Superintendent credential requires a pro.edu exam (Communication Literacy, its an English language exam), a Bachelors/First degree and three years of appropriate edu experience including as a classroom DT/IT. The credential would effectively be a lifetime credential.
If youre looking for an advanced degree program, youre better looking back in the UK.
1) The Ed.Ld. M.Ed. at Uni. Buckingham is £6K, and entirely online. You can take it through either the UK campus or the China campus.
2) If you insist on going outside the UK, the American College of Education (ABCE) has an Ed.Ld M.Ed. for USD$9500, entirely online.
1) The Harvard Certificate in School Management and Leadership (CSML) is four courses, online, and costs about USD$2K. Its hard to beat that cost in coin for a Global Ivy.
If youre looking for an easy credential than there are two options:
1) DC offers a senior leadership credential, the Administrative Services Credential. You dont need a Masters degree, for the Initial credential you just need two years of appropriate edu experience including as a classroom DT/IT. This credential is valid for 2 years but cant be renewed.
The Standard credential requires a pro.edu exam (SLLA) and 4 years of appropriate edu experience including as a classroom DT/IT. This credential is valid for 4 years and is renewable.
2) MA: Offers an executive leadership credential. The Provisional Superintendent/Assistant Superintendent credential requires a pro.edu exam (Communication Literacy, its an English language exam), a Bachelors/First degree and three years of appropriate edu experience including as a classroom DT/IT. The credential would effectively be a lifetime credential.
If youre looking for an advanced degree program, youre better looking back in the UK.
1) The Ed.Ld. M.Ed. at Uni. Buckingham is £6K, and entirely online. You can take it through either the UK campus or the China campus.
2) If you insist on going outside the UK, the American College of Education (ABCE) has an Ed.Ld M.Ed. for USD$9500, entirely online.
- Sun Nov 17, 2024 11:48 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: Racist Comments
- Replies: 6
- Views: 39144
Response
Nothing.
Where it only the IS and there was a clear policy and will behind it for inclusivity than its treated as any other disciplinary or behavior management issue.
The community however, nothing. Even in an IS with the best of real world intentions isnt going to change a culture. Leadership cant admonish community members with any type of corrective behavioral action.
This should be a learning experience for both the IT and the IS. Research carefully the region your going into as an IT and if theres a culture of discrimination either prepare yourself for it or dont go. Leadership hopefully will learn not to appoint those who dont fit in, or in the alternative be upfront with the IT and ownership and get both of their agreements before making an appointment.
Where it only the IS and there was a clear policy and will behind it for inclusivity than its treated as any other disciplinary or behavior management issue.
The community however, nothing. Even in an IS with the best of real world intentions isnt going to change a culture. Leadership cant admonish community members with any type of corrective behavioral action.
This should be a learning experience for both the IT and the IS. Research carefully the region your going into as an IT and if theres a culture of discrimination either prepare yourself for it or dont go. Leadership hopefully will learn not to appoint those who dont fit in, or in the alternative be upfront with the IT and ownership and get both of their agreements before making an appointment.
- Sun Nov 17, 2024 11:37 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: School still recruiting from certain countries only: THIS IS 2024!
- Replies: 8
- Views: 42136
Response
This reads as if its the most inclusive list the IS could state. It sounds pretty progressive, many ISs in the region still list US/UK/AUS/CAN (which is FAR more common), as their only allowable demographics even though they would be allowed a broader demographic.
While Im sure outlier examples can be found against, I tend to disagree with @Thames Pirate. These are immigration issues at the national level that aggregate down to what some ministry will approve a visa and (nationally or regionally) a work permit for, in such cases IE and DE tend to fall into the same category when it comes to visas with a few more categories for a work permit.
In this case being an NES appears to be the controlling factor, but even when you get into the weeds such regulations either tend to be exhaustive in the regions permitted and/or there is some definition describing a period of formal education that must have been completed in English, and someone then just put a list of those English dominate regions together.
None of this means anything in regards to inclusivity. What an IS communicates and what it actually does are often very different things. This sounds like a progressive list based on regulations but you can go look at their leadership, for example and get a picture of how diverse they are.
https://www.aisgz.org/about-us/leadership
There are plenty of ISs and leadership that say one thing for appearances and do something or dont do something entirely unaligned with what they say.
While Im sure outlier examples can be found against, I tend to disagree with @Thames Pirate. These are immigration issues at the national level that aggregate down to what some ministry will approve a visa and (nationally or regionally) a work permit for, in such cases IE and DE tend to fall into the same category when it comes to visas with a few more categories for a work permit.
In this case being an NES appears to be the controlling factor, but even when you get into the weeds such regulations either tend to be exhaustive in the regions permitted and/or there is some definition describing a period of formal education that must have been completed in English, and someone then just put a list of those English dominate regions together.
None of this means anything in regards to inclusivity. What an IS communicates and what it actually does are often very different things. This sounds like a progressive list based on regulations but you can go look at their leadership, for example and get a picture of how diverse they are.
https://www.aisgz.org/about-us/leadership
There are plenty of ISs and leadership that say one thing for appearances and do something or dont do something entirely unaligned with what they say.