Thank you Psyguy.

I have never thought about this negotiation this way. That's food for thoughts for sure.

Once again, I really appreciate it.

I'm getting IGCSE certificates in Business Studies and Economics this November, hoping to work at ISs in SG. If this RMIT nego doesn't go through, hope that helps :D

I'm sorry I can't help but I'm very curious with what you said about Korean education system. I have heard and read news about it but in reality, how brutal can it be?

Hi Psyguy,

So I had an interview with them yesterday. They will respond in 2 weeks regarding whether I get to the second round.

The only information I get from the one interviewed me regarding the compensation is since this is hourly basis, I would not be treated as a full-time employee, and therefore no expat package offered (no housing allowance, no relocation allowance, no return tickets every year etc). They will cover the legal matters like applying for work permit and visa, flight ticket to VN (one way). The hourly rate for expat is around $3x USD/h. The full load would be 40h/week, IF I get the full load. But they said the working hours are very flexible, as in if I don't have class, I can leave. I will ask more if I get to the interview panel.

Still very tempting. How do you think I should negotiate for allowances?

Another thing that makes me wavering between working for RMIT and international schools is about the fee waiver for my children if I work at IS. Considering they often waive the fee for all 12 years, that's a huge benefit. Do you think working for RMIT on my resume can be beneficial if I plan to move to IS in the future?

Hi Psyguy,

Thank you so much for your insights!

I didn't know it's hourly wage position. You're correct. It is!

No I'm not leaving my current students right away. I already inform all of the schools I applied to that I will only be available by the end of this year. I want to see my students through their final exams in Australia, not hanging them dry.

Your - gives me lots of thoughts. I much prefer something more stable and with more allowances. I don't mind staying at school until 4pm even if I have nothing else to do. I can always do my marking or prepping during my free time so I don't have to do it at home.

After your insights, I might not take the job. I'd still go through the interview to see what they've got to offer.

Thanks again Psyguy. It helps a lot :)

Also, would it help on my resume if I work for RMIT, in case I want to work for international schools in the future?

Hi,

so I have Master of Teaching (secondary), a teaching license, Bachelor of Accounting, 3 years of exp teaching Accounting and Business Management to Year 10 to 12 students in Melbourne, Australia. I will get IGCSE certificates for Business Studies and Mathematics this November.

Recently I've been invited to have an interview with RMIT HR in VN for Foundation Studies teacher position. In the best case scenario, they might offer me the job. My question is: Which one is better? Teaching business-related subjects in international schools (good ones) or at international university like RMIT?

Pay wise, I think international schools usually pay better. However, I heard that teaching at universities like RMIT usually is more chill and has better work/life balance.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this one. I'm not sure if I should wait until around Oct-Nov, when more ISs start advertising jobs, or should accept RMIT offer (if that's the case).

Thank you very much :)

Hi,

So I booked an online Introductory course in Business Studies for IGCSE certificate that is happening from Oct to Nov this year. There's another subject that I'm interested in getting the same certificate in, but it's happening at the same time. There are few questions I'd like to ask:

- Would taking 2 courses at the same time be too much? Has anyone ever been able to manage this?

- I heard that I can do my own tasks at my own time (within a limited timeline, ofc). Would it be okay if on the day the course is running, I just join the Zoom room and leave it be so that I can watch the recordings and finish my task at night? I work full time so I won't be able to actually attend the class.

- I also heard that all introductory courses, regardless of the subject, have almost the same content. Is it true? If so, would I be able to use the task I complete in one subject to submit in the other? (not intending to submit other people's works. It's my work but use in 2 subjects, if that makes sense).

Thank you for your help.

Thank you so much guys :) A lot of useful information here :D

Hi sciteach,

can you kindly elaborate on your last point, "the other posters comment on hiring locals with international experience and treating them will seems to be the truth." please?

National wrote:
> I work at one of the tier one schools in Vietnam and they would hire you as
> an international hire and would make no attempt to shift you to a local
> salary. We also have quite a few Viet Kieu who work at our school. I think
> the lower tier schools might try to treat you unfairly, but the top few
> would be ok. While you’re not super competitive, you might get hired by
> these schools. I’ve seen less experienced teachers than you hired in the
> top three schools.
>
> As others have said, the lower tier schools in Vietnam are not great and
> they will likely use your Vietnamese links against you for hiring and pay.

Hi National,

Any chance I can contact you privately to ask for more info?

I'm very keen on getting hired by those schools and really need some tips to stand out among the candidates, given what I already might not be as impressive.

I'd understand if you want to stay anonymous though.

Hi,

Thanks for your response.

I've been teaching year 10 to 12 for 3 years now, and only at those levels.

Do you think certificates in IB and IGCSE (which I have applied) would help with my profile?

Hi all,

Don't know if there's any Vietnamese teachers here trained in Australia?

I am a native Vnese secondary teacher who's been living in Melbourne, Australia for 10 years (managed to get the citizenship this year). I have a Master of Teaching from University of Melbourne (6th in world ranking), Bachelor in Accounting and a teaching license. I've been teaching Accounting, Business Management, Economics and Legal Studies for 3 years. The curriculum is VCE (Victorian certificate of Education), which is a hybrid of IB and ISGCE - the most popular curriculums in international schools in VN. I am in the process of achieving IGCSE certificates in Business Studies in October.

I am thinking to go back to VN to work at international schools for a while, maybe 2-3 years and see how it goes. I'm wondering if my academic background and experience look good enough in the recruiters?

I believe my strongest selling point is I have the best of both worlds: I understand both Asian and Western cultures, and I'm fluent in both languages. However, some may argue that being Vnese might be a disadvantage and the school might try to treat me as local, hence local pay and without expat package (even if I enter VN by Auz pp). What do you think?

Just to share some thoughts. I'm 30, divorced, no kids and am having a stable job at an independent school in Melbourne. Basically my life here in Melbourne is already settled, so the thought of going back to VN is very alienate to me. I've been calculating my whole life, in every single decision so that I can be where I am right now. It's just after the divorce, I realize I've never done anything that doesn't warrant a guaranteed success, or at least high chance of it. So I want to try something 'recklessly' once in my life and see where life takes me. My only concern is, I know I want to settle down in Australia (at least for now). Do you think it'd be a waste of time if I leave everything I've achieved here to go back to VN, work for 3 years and go back to Australia starting from scratch at the age of 33? Would that be too late? My whole family and friends are in VN so I know I'll have a lot of support when I go back there, but the thought of settling down at a new country again at the age of 33-35 makes me shudder. Am I thinking too much again?

Very much appreciated your input.