[quote="PsyGuy"]@mbovi

No the standard is $150K INTEREST in their first career, not offers. FrenchGurl has one you have none. 1 > 0.[/quote]

No, the standard is $ 150 K INTEREST in actually GETTING the job, not the offers on a first career. You can get offered as many huge salaries as one would like, but actually working it and having that money enter one's bank account as one's sole possession is a completely different thing. Once more, mbovi = win! Honestly, what good is it claiming that one got offered $ 150, 000 in the education career when they have to say, " Oh yes, I got offered but I didn't get it "?

Oh and I did get offers ABOVE $ 150, 000 on my FIRST career....if you want to go that way. Finance. I'm sure you would never make it in that field ( for many reasons ).

Try again, Psyguy. It's actually quite fun egging you on. Morning tea, breakfast and egging Psyguy on in an anonymous forum for 5 mins every 2 - 3 days.

@ PSYGUY

She ONLY wins if she ACTUALLY DID get the job at $ 150, 000. I won by ACTUALLY getting the job at $ 100, 000 ( net, by the way ). So, in actuality, I am still $ 100, 000 richER for it ( and rising ) because after all $ 100, 000 is MORE than $ 0. Offering and actually getting the position are two different things. I hope that CLARIFIES it for you because I know that you have great struggles in understanding simple things.

I'm so glad though that I am getting under your skin, Dave. You make it so easy.

[quote="PsyGuy"]@mbovi

I always assumed you were a female, my mistake and my apologies.

No school in Japan gave you ONE HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS a year salary out of Teachers college.
Further your teaching career was a second career, from which you had extensive experience prior to entering the teaching profession. FrenchGurl is just out of college starting her FIRST career, your experiences are not comparable.[/quote]

Correction 1 : $ 100, 000. Not $ 150, 000. I believe you are thinking of Frenchgurl's quote on the $ 150, 000.

Correction 2 : Last I checked, Frenchgurl DID NOT get the job that pays $ 150, 000 in NYC. So yes, in that respect, her experience and my experience in regards to the education in career is NOT comparable. I did BETTER.

Correction 1 : Last I checked, I still had an Adam's apple and a ding dong.

Correction 2: I just graduated from Teacher's College around 7 years ago. Upon graduation, I received a hefty package at one of the top schools in Japan. I'm also, only 32.

Once more, you have entertained me. Please keep on coming back to the forum to entertain me further.

[quote="FrenchGurl"]The New York school and I were unable to reach an agreement. Thank you, too all of you that responded.[/quote]

You mean...they didn't hire you upon interview? So to answer your question, that's why people leave America to go to other places.

[quote="PsyGuy"]@FrenchGurl

I apologize for the other contributors on this forum, who apparently, with the end of school approaching or having already arrived, have lost their perspective.

$125K with another $25K possible bonus for a total of $150K is an UTTERLY AMAZING salary and opportunity for a newly minted FIRST YEAR TEACHER just out of University. The scenario that someone actually wants to hire you just out of school in a teaching field i assume based on your other post is "French" and willing to pay ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS to do so is something to be proud off. My fellow contributors have been on their high clouds a little too long, and regretably have not peaked over the sides at the mere mortals just getting out of university in a depressed job market, with even fewer prospects for a language related degree and educator qualification. Some of them at top ISs in places like Japan didnt get their right out of school. They (SHE) worked A LONG TIME building a resume and teaching experience and credentials to get into the position they (SHE) is in. No one was offering any of them anywhere near ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS to teach their first year out of university.

Again, please accept my apologies, on their behalf.

I do however agree with the general consensus, that that level of salary is very unusual and rare. Most american teachers start out at around $35K-$40K a year, and includes medical insurance. They dont get housing packages or any other allowances typically.[/quote]

Psyguy, who are you talking about? Who's they (SHE)?

Coming from the mouth of one Head and one recruiter : " The best hire is a single teacher, no dependents, 2 years + experience, preferably IB ". Teaching couples are good too but reasons were given as to why a single teacher could trump them easily in the hiring process.

Although teaching couples are good, the school has to worry about the following with teaching couples :
a) Do they have 2 positions available that fit the couple and the school well?
b) What if one of the spouses is unhappy and the other one isn't?
c) A teaching couple is ultimately a team. If there are problems, the Head or recruiter would have to deal with TWO people other than one.

And right now, there are many single teachers out there with such credentials.

[quote="Mathman"]I love how some people think that having smart coupons mean you can get paid more.

I would put it this way, teachers are a dime a dozen, what school would just pay extra for just a teacher. Get a former engineer to teach Math, or a Lawyer to teach legal studies etc, and thEy can command more since they have industry experience and are used to higher pay scales, if they also have their teaching certification. After all, there are only limited skills a failed artist can pass on t o their students compared to a graphic designer with several sucessful years in industry can.[/quote]

I always thought that a " pay scale is a pay scale and it is not negotiable " until I got offered a higher salary altogether. It's bc I was working as a finance manager for a dept of 200 for a multibillion dollar company around 4 years before I got my license. So, they accounted my education ( B.Sc in Economics, M.Sc in Finance, CPA and of course, B.Ed - with current steps to my Ed.D ). This is also coming from 2 very good if not " elite " or " premier " schools in the country that I am currently working at.

Are you planning to save money and then bring it back to your home country? If so, probably not. I remember in my first year as a young teacher ( around 7 - 8 years ago ), I got offered a position in Istanbul, Turkey. Although it has been one of my dreams to live and work in Istanbul, Turkey, the paltry salary of $ 17, 000 ( with everything paid for - cell phones, laptops, utilities, rent etc ) did not make me take the contract. Ultimately, $ 17, 000 would be an insult to let's say the years and finances I have put into my license....and then trying to save that $ 17, 000 when Istanbul is not as cheap as most makes it out to be, I just couldn't accept it.

I know that as educators, it's not entirely about money...but $ 17, 000? That's lower than minimum wage for a teenager.

Plus, judging from the comments to the school in Casablanca here, you have to reason whether $ 25, 000 / year is worth the headache of dealing with questionable administrators, possibly a handful of spoilt children that can make your life miserable, the hot weather, the traffic, the pollution. Casablanca is romanticised by a movie that was created in the 1940s. But the reality is far from it. Perhaps a vacation but not a few years of teaching. But everyone is different. Many seek adventure in romanticised ( note that I didn't write " romantic " bc Casablanca really is far from the romantic place it once was in the early part of the 20th century and not even the 21st century ) places which is great......but there comes a point in life where you have to make shrewd decisions in order to propel your career legitimately.

txteach : I totally agree with you. I, too, left a corporate position in a multimillion, global company to become a teacher ( and yes, everyone thought that I was crazy and I think it has largely to do with the perspective that North America has on teachers - mainly their " financial " plight - broke, not as respected and often on strike ). Yes, I invested a lot and made the good financial decisions to set aside the nest egg and more...but eventually, after that was done, I realised that teaching was for me...and this is where I will stay.

[quote="djbambi"][quote="corbanma"]Hey, How did the interview go? Any luck?[/quote]

I didn't take the interview as I felt it wouldn't be a good fit for me. Don't know if i was right or wrong but after the reviews and the forums, I lost my motivation.[/quote]

Although the school has received a fair bit of bashing in here, I think that going through the interview might have been a good thing, to see if you can make an objective decision. If anything, the interview could have given you some more details about the school that others do not know about on here. The more you know, the better.

[quote="higgsboson"]Nomad, over the years I have three times been in this situation.

The first time was in Thailand. I reported for work and the school said they were terminating my contract and would not be paying me what was owed. I threw a fit right then and there, screaming and threatening. While I was raging, they had apparently called the police and when the cops arrived, I was hauled off to jail.

This is NOT how to handle the situation but while I spent the night in jail, I thought how to properly handle a school not paying wages and it dawned on me: go to the parents.

The second time, I was in Taiwan and again was terminated by phone and the school said they had a policy that if the contract wasn't finished for any reason, they deduct NT$10,000. I calmly and politely told the man "No problem, I'll stand outside and ask the parents for the money when they drop the kids off." He about jumped through the phone and got very loud so I hang up on him. Half an hour later, he called back and said to come pick up my final pay and I got all my money.

The third time, I was terminated in Portugal and I wasn't given proper severance so again I said, no problem, I'll call the parents and ask them for financial assistance. The principal, who was always calm and collected, again about jumped through the phone. I remember his words to this day: "That CANNOT happen!" I was given proper severance.

For whatever reason, International Schools do not like parents involved in these pay disputes and just the threat of involving parents seems to be enough to get schools to pay what they owe. My guess is, parents would help financially if they were asked and schools want to avoid that scenario.[/quote]

Wow. You've been terminated A LOT. Judging from how you handled things and some of the comments that you have had on other forum posts ( e.g. Liking Chinese students for they like to listen and you like to lecture, teacher-dominated class in the 21st century )....I can probably see why.

I didn't read any of the reviews or much on ABS ( American Baccalaureate School ). But just the name itself sends me screeching for the hills.

American...Baccalaureate...School...what on earth does this even mean?!

Yes, judging from your other post...it seems that money is the main motivating factor for you. Good on you though, for looking out for yourself first in the world of education.

1. The $ 120, 000 / per year you quoted is not the norm. Don't forget the taxes and don't forget that you will be living in NYC...IF you even get the job.

2. You can make that much...in Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong and some northern European countries.

3. It's not always about the money. Living abroad actually mentally and emotionally enlightens you.

4. In my current situation, I am making around $ 90, 000 NET...and living abroad in one of the most fascinating cities in the world with many countries at my arm's reach for travel.
* So by virtues of your example, not only am I making MORE than you ( financially ), but I am living abroad in a foreign country with all the wonderful moments it has to offer.

So...no, why would anyone want to stay in the US or North America for that matter to teach?